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Old 07-24-2024, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
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I don’t always…actually I never agree with you (on politics) but you are spot on this one! 🙌
does that analysis also apply to “medical experts” that we used to hear about so often?

Back on the IT outage topic: if the am flights were all cancelled would a commuter be justified to submit an expense report for a tank of gas if he drove 6 hours to work? Asking for a friend.
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Old 07-24-2024, 09:49 AM
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Absolutely, you're right that AI isn't "smart" in the human sense—it's not capable of independent thought or genuine understanding. Instead, AI operates based on patterns and data it has been trained on. However, it's fascinating how these patterns can often mimic human-like responses and provide valuable insights.Regarding the sources of information, it's true that the quality of AI outputs depends heavily on the data it accesses. That's why reputable AI systems prioritize using verified, high-quality sources. While there's always a risk of encountering less reliable information, advancements in AI are continuously improving the ability to filter and validate data.As for assigning monetary value, you're spot on that it requires deep, insider knowledge and reputable sources. AI can assist in aggregating and analyzing data, but human expertise is crucial for making informed financial decisions.In essence, AI is a tool—an incredibly powerful one when used correctly. It complements human intelligence and expertise, rather than replacing it. The synergy between AI and human insight can lead to remarkable advancements and more informed decision-making.
Ok. So we agree, we have no idea the accuracy of the information posted AND we agree that the value you quoted is basically gibberish without any inside knowledge (which none of us has). So what was the point of even posting it? Additionally, to reiterate, it has nothing to do with my response to your original list of excuses.
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Old 07-24-2024, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
You used AI to write that, didn't you?
The "There is no spoon" scene in The Matrix conveys a profound message about the nature of reality within the simulated world. Here's what it means:The scene takes place when Neo meets a young boy in the Oracle's waiting room who is bending spoons with his mind. The boy tells Neo, "Do not try to bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth... there is no spoon.

"This statement has multiple layers of meaning:
Reality is malleable: Within the Matrix, what appears to be real is actually a computer simulation. By understanding this, Neo can manipulate the rules of the virtual world.

Overcoming mental limitations: The phrase encourages Neo to let go of his preconceived notions about what's possible, allowing him to reach his true potential as "The One."Self-transformation: Rather than trying to change external objects, the key is to change oneself. As the boy says, "It is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."

Buddhist influence: The quote has roots in Buddhist philosophy, resembling a koan - a paradoxical statement meant to provoke enlightenment by transcending logical thinking.

This scene is crucial for Neo's development, as it helps him understand that he can bend the rules of the Matrix by altering his own perception and beliefs. Later, when facing challenges, Neo recalls this lesson, saying "There is no spoon" to himself, which allows him to perform seemingly impossible feats
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Old 07-24-2024, 10:03 AM
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Ok. So we agree, we have no idea the accuracy of the information posted AND we agree that the value you quoted is basically gibberish without any inside knowledge (which none of us has). So what was the point of even posting it? Additionally, to reiterate, it has nothing to do with my response to your original list of excuses.
Let's acknowledge our shared unfamiliarity with the intricacies of airline IT infrastructure. While the recent disruptions at Delta were significant, their operations have since been restored. The complexities behind such systems are beyond our expertise, and it's clear that even industry leaders can face unexpected challenges. Perhaps we'd be better served discussing topics more aligned with our knowledge, such as the art of piloting aircraft or the passenger experience in flight. After all, there's a certain magic in soaring through the skies that transcends the occasional technological hiccup on the ground.
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Old 07-24-2024, 10:05 AM
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It's not terribly surprising given that they were basically running 1 day turnaround before the collapse. So they were primed from the start to begin to handle cases. I would imagine the timeline will stretch some but I'll be they'll keep it under a week for most cases. Accuracy remains TBD.
Interesting. Is there a way to submit a pay issue case to crew assist without an EFB?
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Old 07-24-2024, 10:12 AM
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Interesting. Is there a way to submit a pay issue case to crew assist without an EFB?
Well, the first question that comes to mind is what happened to your EFB?

Aside from that, you can email pilot assist and maybe they can open a case from that. Or at least call them and see if they can give you any guidance.
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Old 07-24-2024, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Let's acknowledge our shared unfamiliarity with the intricacies of airline IT infrastructure. While the recent disruptions at Delta were significant, their operations have since been restored. The complexities behind such systems are beyond our expertise, and it's clear that even industry leaders can face unexpected challenges. Perhaps we'd be better served discussing topics more aligned with our knowledge, such as the art of piloting aircraft or the passenger experience in flight. After all, there's a certain magic in soaring through the skies that transcends the occasional technological hiccup on the ground.
As a lurking passenger in this forum who works in a field adjacent to IT/cybersecurity, I was reminded of this a few days ago when my 332 lifted off 25C in FRA in the middle of this mess (thanks guys!)
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Old 07-24-2024, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Let's acknowledge our shared unfamiliarity with the intricacies of airline IT infrastructure. While the recent disruptions at Delta were significant, their operations have since been restored. The complexities behind such systems are beyond our expertise, and it's clear that even industry leaders can face unexpected challenges. Perhaps we'd be better served discussing topics more aligned with our knowledge, such as the art of piloting aircraft or the passenger experience in flight. After all, there's a certain magic in soaring through the skies that transcends the occasional technological hiccup on the ground.
Your words are correct, but this scenario was an expected challenge. We've had IT outages before, other airlines have had outages, it is an expected scenario. Pilots train for a variety of emergencies because although rare, they are expected challenges. FAs regularly train on evacuating an airplane because it is an expected challenge. It is a failure of epic proportion that our managment team doesn't train to the same standard as the front line employees.

EB and his subordinates need to revisit their B school reading list. "Anti Fragile" by Nassim Taleb had to be on the list somewhere.
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Old 07-24-2024, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
We appear to have almost completely stabilized the operation today. Now for that reroute pay...
Running an airline on bank hours during the biggest IROP in history did not help. Crazy to see CP offices empty after 6pm and on the weekends. And then no word from management until late Monday/Tuesday. If they had taken this problem seriously on Saturday it would have been cleaned up by Monday. It needed to be all hands on deck over the weekend, not on Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Let's acknowledge our shared unfamiliarity with the intricacies of airline IT infrastructure. While the recent disruptions at Delta were significant, their operations have since been restored. The complexities behind such systems are beyond our expertise, and it's clear that even industry leaders can face unexpected challenges. Perhaps we'd be better served discussing topics more aligned with our knowledge, such as the art of piloting aircraft or the passenger experience in flight. After all, there's a certain magic in soaring through the skies that transcends the occasional technological hiccup on the ground.
No. I don't have to acknowledge anything because none of those were points I was making or arguing.

Everything I need to know about our crew planning software/IT resiliency is in comparing outcomes of 3 airlines with the exact same starting condition. Crowdstrike can be blamed for Friday and Saturday. Maybe even startup Sunday. Anything beyond that is a Delta problem and it exposed significant shortcomings in our proprietary software suite. You can quote answers from AI bots answering questions no one asked all you want. But it took between 150-200% longer than our competition to recover. One of the biggest reasons people choose us over others was reliability. And we just gave them all a measuring stick to show that maybe we aren't as superior as we claim
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