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07-20-2024, 09:31 AM

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m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by manchild

There’s a culture of ducking under on some fleets that was addressed in fleet newsletters last year after this incident and the one in EYW which might have been before they moved the PAPI lights to coincide with the RNAV. The takeaways were a) you don’t need to duck under and b) if you’re gonna do it be aware of a non-standard TCH. I say just put HUDs in everything lol.

737 newsletters consistently encourage this technique...

07-20-2024, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

737 newsletters consistently encourage this technique...

yup aiming point adjustment at the appropriate time is something we are supposed to practice. There is even a blurb on adjusting your desired landing gear touchdown point in the FCTM 6.4.1

07-20-2024, 09:58 AM

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737 newsletters consistently encourage this technique...

Totally agree as a little low and on speed is a perfect energy state. I’m talking full scale low 4 red at the threshold in search of that ultra soft touchdown in the jet that calls you a ‘tard. Seen it a lot out of salty dudes. The end result is usually a sorta long landing, smashing the brakes, and fans on taxiing in on an otherwise cool day.

07-20-2024, 12:03 PM

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All this makes me wonder how the 767 curtain seat was legal. I never slept in that seat though I tried. I almost always had first break though and was the zombie not in a control seat for landing.

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

All this makes me wonder how the 767 curtain seat was legal. I never slept in that seat though I tried. I almost always had first break though and was the zombie not in a control seat for landing.

Over at Brown they were literally sleeping on the floors in the 767 for the longest time. I have absolutely no idea how that counted. The 2016 contract created the Pilot Rest Module which is a cargo container with two bunks. It's absolutely amazing.

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07-21-2024, 12:48 PM

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I get it, but classifying it doesn't make it better or worse. Timing has a lot to do with it as well. First break was during the bumper cart derby and the daylight.

<BOOM> "What would you like to drink?" <CLUNK> "Would you care for some mixed nuts?" <BUMP> "And would you like to try the soup?" ... "WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY THE SOUP"?" <CLUNK> <BOOM>

07-21-2024, 09:54 PM

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<BOOM> "What would you like to drink?" <CLUNK> "Would you care for some mixed nuts?" <BUMP> "And would you like to try the soup?" ... "WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY THE SOUP"?" <CLUNK> <BOOM>

At United, our 767s (both -300 and -400) have a pretty nice setup with the soundproof curtain at 1A. I could stand up and change as well as get sleep in there with no issues. Not as good as the 777 but the breaks were much shorter anyway…

07-21-2024, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

On the standard -300 it was often quite noisy in the bunk area depending on the timing of the flight attendant breaks and how courteous they might attempt to be.

I've heard this one before from other pilots. Do none of you wear ear plugs? Just the sound of the engines would be enough to keep me up without some.

07-21-2024, 11:55 PM

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I've heard this one before from other pilots. Do none of you wear ear plugs? Just the sound of the engines would be enough to keep me up without some.

It's not enough. But no more 1st break for me.

07-22-2024, 12:23 AM

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I've heard this one before from other pilots. Do none of you wear ear plugs? Just the sound of the engines would be enough to keep me up without some.

Yes, I rarely hear a thing when I’m down there.

07-22-2024, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotWombat

I've heard this one before from other pilots. Do none of you wear ear plugs? Just the sound of the engines would be enough to keep me up without some.

Earplugs or ANC earbuds are good at deadening engine noise. Nothing filters out bumper carts in the 767 aisle and galley. In the 330 bunk, even with earplugs, you can feel the engines spool up for a step climb. Thanks to moving thrust levers, Boeing pilots tend to do better at avoiding throttle bursts in a climb.