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Old 07-23-2024, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
Oh I am right there with you on reserve, I found it to be a pretty good deal this winter when I bid reserve and expired on TO's and landings! Don't see anything that says you can't combine LOSA with reserve though.
You can I’m just saying that it will be a lot more work than just sitting on reserve.
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Old 07-23-2024, 10:05 AM
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LOSA observers typically reserve the jumpseat far in advance so you'll know at least if the jumpseat is taken for that
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Old 07-24-2024, 07:24 AM
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LOSA observers typically reserve the jumpseat far in advance so you'll know at least if the jumpseat is taken for that
so LOSA work is in addition to -or instead of- your daily trip pay. Ie does it add to rsv guarantee if one bids rsv?
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Old 07-24-2024, 08:29 AM
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I was interested in applying as I’ve done this line of work before. As previously mentioned it takes a great deal of time to write the reports. When looking at the pay and how we would have to bid , I quickly decided it is not worth the hassle. They need to pay more. Pre bidding often makes schedules worse, not better. I don’t think it needs to be a totally good lopsided deal, but it has to be better than what is currently being offered.
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Old 07-24-2024, 09:34 AM
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I was interested in applying as I’ve done this line of work before. As previously mentioned it takes a great deal of time to write the reports. When looking at the pay and how we would have to bid , I quickly decided it is not worth the hassle. They need to pay more. Pre bidding often makes schedules worse, not better. I don’t think it needs to be a totally good lopsided deal, but it has to be better than what is currently being offered.
If you're going to do it, being on reserve is probably the smartest thing to do. 5:00/day pays more than a day of reserve, plus tactically placing LC days around it reduces your availability to the company. Place 2 LC days on the front and 3 days on the back of LOSA. Can't do much on the first block. You are not coming off a non fly day so you can't report before 1800 starting the second block. Plus I don't think LOSA would count as rest so you're in a 30/168 issue as well.
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Old 07-25-2024, 05:44 AM
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If they want to attract people to do it, treat it like instructors for pay, positive space, and hotels. You’ll get more people for sure.
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Old 07-25-2024, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tripled
so LOSA work is in addition to -or instead of- your daily trip pay. Ie does it add to rsv guarantee if one bids rsv?
I believe the document said 5 hours pay no credit per day so above guarantee but not 100%. haven't had time to look at the document except briefly
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Old 07-25-2024, 08:01 AM
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Long time listener, first time caller. My wife does LOSA for AAL. They do LOSA year round and are either even month or odd month observers. They bid for a regular schedule using PBS and then drop 1 or 2 trips after the award and are paid / credited for the whole trip. There are often extra hours available where there can even drop a trip on their non scheduled LOSA month and do LOSA. Easy bidding / scheduling process and they are difficult jobs to get with lots of applicants. I feel DAL has lost out on a lot of qualified people by making the process difficult for bidding and only paying 5 hrs / day. This is not a good deal for a line pilot. The only pro to this deal at DAL is getting a foot in the door if you wanted to become more involved down the road with the safety department.
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Old 07-25-2024, 11:10 AM
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Do we think that if you did an observation on a holiday, you'd get holiday pay? Or for that pre-blocked stuff does it not really matter what happens, it will always and only be the 5:00 pay no credit?
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
If you're going to do it, being on reserve is probably the smartest thing to do. 5:00/day pays more than a day of reserve, plus tactically placing LC days around it reduces your availability to the company. Place 2 LC days on the front and 3 days on the back of LOSA. Can't do much on the first block. You are not coming off a non fly day so you can't report before 1800 starting the second block. Plus I don't think LOSA would count as rest so you're in a 30/168 issue as well.
As an event that is single pay no credit, would it even help you get into the window as a line holder? I'm guessing it does help as a reserve in x-day proration.
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