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Old 07-18-2024, 08:01 AM
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While I assume most pilots wear seat belts in their own car, I’m always surprised how many don’t in crew vans. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to remind people it’s a good idea to treat vans like your personal car, because a lot of people don’t.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just an ineffective thing. Maybe just asking the individual on your van ride if they wore a seatbelt driving to work before the trip while smirking and looking them in the eye would be more effective. This seems a little "dad knows what's best for you."
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just an ineffective thing. Maybe just asking the individual on your van ride if they wore a seatbelt driving to work before the trip while smirking and looking them in the eye would be more effective. This seems a little "dad knows what's best for you."
"We regret to inform you that your spouse died this morning in an accident on the interstate while in transit from the layover hotel to the airport. While he was wearing his seatbelt, the other crewmember selfishly refused to buckle their seatbelt and became a projectile during the roll over portion of the accident, fatally injuring your spouse. We're sorry for your loss, here are 10k skymiles. Bless"
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"We regret to inform you that your spouse died this morning in an accident on the interstate while in transit from the layover hotel to the airport. While he was wearing his seatbelt, the other crewmember selfishly refused to buckle their seatbelt and became a projectile during the roll over portion of the accident, fatally injuring your spouse. We're sorry for your loss, here are 10k skymiles. Bless"
It’s wild how for some reason people don’t realize a minibus with 12 seats is just a slightly larger car just as prone to crash going 70 miles per hour on the interstate. Buckle up people!
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"We regret to inform you that your spouse died this morning in an accident on the interstate while in transit from the layover hotel to the airport. While he was wearing his seatbelt, the other crewmember selfishly refused to buckle their seatbelt and became a projectile during the roll over portion of the accident, fatally injuring your spouse. We're sorry for your loss, here are 10k skymiles. Bless"
I'm sure these internet posts on an obscure website will definately save more lives than genuine discussion in real time. PSA: Eat your vegatables!
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I'm sure these internet posts on an obscure website will definately save more lives than genuine discussion in real time. PSA: Eat your vegatables!
https://youtu.be/svzTat79UFM?si=HOoaqsmA90q5U0HA
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
While I assume most pilots wear seat belts in their own car, I’m always surprised how many don’t in crew vans. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to remind people it’s a good idea to treat vans like your personal car, because a lot of people don’t.
I'm not beyond suggesting to my crew - no, make that anybody in the same van - that buckling up is best, and I’ll tell the driver about any inoperative seatbelts. If I feel the response is not serious (or if I ride in the same van days/weeks later and find te same inop status, it’s a call to the transportation company management and an FSR). I don't GAS if anybody onboard thinks I'm a *ick for raising the issue, because it's a real-deal survivability consideration. I have seen folks ejected from seemingly minor accidents - staying within the vehicle has an exponential impact on mortality! I like that most Asian and European large buses (typical crew transport) have good seatbelts. Many folks have a false sense of security, riding in a 40-foot diesel motor coach, or even a Ford Transit Van. The buckle-up should be habitual for everyone with a brain. There’s a lot of stupid, overbearing nanny-state safety mandates in place for various things; wearing a seatbelt ain’t one of them!
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I'm sure these internet posts on an obscure website will definately save more lives than genuine discussion in real time. PSA: Eat your vegatables!
And wear your mask you selfish disease spreader.
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Originally Posted by zippinbye
I'm not beyond suggesting to my crew - no, make that anybody in the same van - that buckling up is best, and I’ll tell the driver about any inoperative seatbelts. If I feel the response is not serious (or if I ride in the same van days/weeks later and find te same inop status, it’s a call to the transportation company management and an FSR). I don't GAS if anybody onboard thinks I'm a *ick for raising the issue, because it's a real-deal survivability consideration. I have seen folks ejected from seemingly minor accidents - staying within the vehicle has an exponential impact on mortality! I like that most Asian and European large buses (typical crew transport) have good seatbelts. Many folks have a false sense of security, riding in a 40-foot diesel motor coach, or even a Ford Transit Van. The buckle-up should be habitual for everyone with a brain. There’s a lot of stupid, overbearing nanny-state safety mandates in place for various things; wearing a seatbelt ain’t one of them!
I got out of a full crew van because my seatbelt was trapped below the seat and we couldn't get it out. Luckily once we moved people off the seat the FA behind my row was able to free it. Enroute to the airport a newer FA who had offered to just switch seats was overheard asking what the big deal was. The FA who got my seatbelt free explanied it to her. She had no idea that the insurance is void if you aren't wearing it during an accident. I am still in shock about how many crew members (both pilot and FA) don't know this policy.
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She had no idea that the insurance is void if you aren't wearing it during an accident.
I wonder what the logic is for that? Is that medical insurance? Is that life insurance? Is that OJI provisions? I don't know, but all of them would seem logical.

It does seem logical that insurance would be void , as the individual chose not to protect his self interest and the result is others have to pay for his negelict, stupdity, lack of accepting responsibility for his actions.

Insurance is insurance, whether provided by the employer or purchased by the individual. Premiums increase for all, due to higher payouts which is directly proportiional to lack of responsibility.

What about motorcyclists that refuse to wear a helmet?

What about bicyclists?

What about smokers?

What about illicit drug users?

What about lack of slip proof mats in bathtubs?

Yada, yada , yada

Noetheless, an excellent PSA and good info re insurance....I can't understand the pushback. The PSA is positive reinforcement.....the pushback on here is virtue signal shaming.

I suspect those against the seat belt PSA are for PSA's to get out the vote, wear a mask, social distance. And vice-versa. Really, aren't these PSA's essentially the same?

JMHO
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Old 07-20-2024, 06:22 AM
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I wonder what the logic is for that? Is that medical insurance? Is that life insurance? Is that OJI provisions? I don't know, but all of them would seem logical.

It does seem logical that insurance would be void , as the individual chose not to protect his self interest and the result is others have to pay for his negelict, stupdity, lack of accepting responsibility for his actions.

Insurance is insurance, whether provided by the employer or purchased by the individual. Premiums increase for all, due to higher payouts which is directly proportiional to lack of responsibility.

What about motorcyclists that refuse to wear a helmet?

What about bicyclists?

What about smokers?

What about illicit drug users?

What about lack of slip proof mats in bathtubs?

Yada, yada , yada

Noetheless, an excellent PSA and good info re insurance....I can't understand the pushback. The PSA is positive reinforcement.....the pushback on here is virtue signal shaming.

I suspect those against the seat belt PSA are for PSA's to get out the vote, wear a mask, social distance. And vice-versa. Really, aren't these PSA's essentially the same?

JMHO
I think insurance would cover you. What I think the company can do if you are not belted though is deny any OJI claim since you weren’t following company rules.
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