myrkridia

Those are all great initiatives and I applaud them for providing these services. We're specifically talking about the engagement at LEC meetings and access to voting on critical issues being limited by the problems stated above.

CRJphlyer

I don’t know that there is a fix. At my regional, I recall we had an election that not a single voting member showed up to. We’re in a period between contracts. All the tools to educate and be involved are at the pilot’s fingertips. Pilots generally don’t want to or care to be involved beyond the basic level.

myrkridia

I disagree that it's mainly apathy, for reasons stated above.

All 5 Stages

This highlights how phenomenal the C81 recall participation rate of 66.7% truly was ... but you have to actually show up at the LEC to get the motion to recall passed. And with the 3 proxy maximum, it requires a large organizing effort.

A5S

CBreezy

Newsletters are not engagement. That's a one way street of communication and mostly on things that have already done. The "new field team" is exactly what you said it is, brand new. Like, hasn't even started yet brand new. I'll wait to see how that even plays out. From what I've heard, it's a "let me tell you the amazing things DALPA is doing and if you have feedback, here's an anonymous form." That's not really engagement either. It's certainly a step in the right direction.

Regular Council meetings are once a quarter during the week for two hours. That's the most direct form of engagement but it's heavily biased toward locals who happen to have the day off or can bid it off. That's a VERY small minority of people. Again, that doesn't encourage mass engagement the way they say it does.

I was hopeful about the "Town Hall" C44 recently started coincidently right after they were notifed about a recall. But, they hid behind LMRDA and said there would be no chat function, no live questions, and no discussion. It was "email us a question and we'll tell you what you need to think" format. It was not engaging. It was rambling and boring.

I don't even remember the last time I saw a pub advertised. They are monthly? What council?

Valar Morghulis

Plenty of people showed up for the 81 recall, and after TA1, plenty of people showed up for the C44 recall, and those were the old rules of paper proxies which was considerably more hassle than the electronic version, but essentially the same process.

It could be that you simply overestimated the number of people who see things your way. SM tends to overstate a lot of things because it tends to be a self-selecting echo chamber, and we tend to remember only the people that agree with us.

myrkridia

I'm not sure where I gave the impression that my main problem with engagement and participation is that I just didn't get my way today in the results. What I wish we had is a system that truly encouraged maximum participation from the members on all issues, not just contract and strike authorization votes. Surely more pilots involved would be better, even if it resulted in votes not aligning with my desires.

ODB2

Heard you didn’t show up today. Interesting.

For the lurkers, which is what I do most of the time, big takeaway today is how different the real world is from these chat rooms. Same four or so screen names in here grinding their axe has little to do with how things get done and how the people actually doing the work conduct themselves. Call your reps, read the comms, go to a meeting, have conversations with your fellow pilots. Don’t take anything in here at face value.

The silence from the pro recall group was deafening, especially considering they had at least seventeen people there based on the voting. Guess it’s a little different in the room than behind the key board. I’m all for dissenting opinions and robust debate, but today was sad and an unnecessary waste of time, except for getting more people to a local meeting.

PilotWombat

I'm not wading into the discussion of C44, but on this question, they could start with live-streaming all "public" meetings, putting the recordings online, and holding any pilot vote online with a minimum of 5 days to vote.

Cranberry

PUBs are listed in every MEC news.
They are also on the crew room tv screens.
SLC has a fish fry and DTW has a picnic coming up, by the looks of it. DTW just held a car show.