Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

...Got rid of ACE which I’m unsure of, but if ACE wouldn’t even participate in the RFP then I’m not sure I understand what the issue is here. ...

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

I’m not a mouthpiece.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy

That's right up there with captains briefing "I have a thick skin" or "I'm pretty laid back," etc.

you have waaaayyy too much insider info to be "just a line guy." So stop pretending, and stop insulting everyone here.

Just say you want to keep the C44 guys in place. Be honest. What's in it for you?

Originally Posted by FangsF15

There is so much more to this story (as there usually is, but to an unusual extent here)... Suffice to say, if you had a productive partnership with someone who then jerks you around a couple times, sends out an RFP without soliciting you, plays a few games, insults you, plublishes a couple half-truths about you, falsely accuses you of theft when you bill off a list they provided directly you, offers you an insultingly lowball offer that is literal pennies on the dollar, what would you do?

Might you tell that entity to pound sand, and you were no longer intersted in playing thier game?

Yet, then... In spite of all that, in the end, you agree to thier lowball offer for the relevant piece of what you built, only to have them suddenly drop the whole thing without much of an explaination...

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

I’m not a mouthpiece. I’m a line pilot just off probation lol.

I’m talking big picture here. Things are good. And we have an election in C44 right around the corner. Why not just wait to vote them out rather than send a message of division to management?

me.

Originally Posted by HelloNewnan

They have made some "wins" when there was some clear cut violations, mostly in scope. They didn't fly enough block hours, didn't share the right information, or so on. But the problem there is how do you compensate that? The only damages are monitary, usually calculated on the delta of what we flew versus what we were supposed to fly, and they never, ever award anything punative. It turns out to usually be a couple hundred bucks a pilot. Yeah us.

The RJ case was supposed to be "tight" and "no lose". Yea, that certainly worked out, and we probably would have been better off coming to some negotiated solution to get something, anything out of that. Instead we got zilch.

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

I’m not a mouthpiece. I’m a line pilot just off probation lol. I don’t know the lay of the land around here but I do know a couple things about ALPA from friends of mine who have served and just flying at airlines for the past 15 years. I’m skeptical of some of the stuff on here because, big picture, as a new guy I’m sitting here thinking to myself, “this is the best contract and the most money I’ve made in my career and we’re outperforming competitor airlines by a wide margin”.

23M7 seems like a loss, but otherwise I’m not seeing the losses here. We got the company to reverse course on PB/PR days. The company has agreed to stop the pay audits and taking back pay until they fix our POS antiquated pay system. Implementation has gone relatively smooth compared to our peer airlines.

$100,000 car that turned out to be vapor. They didn’t buy a $100,000 car. PMRC stuff which I don’t disagree with some of and I dislike other aspects of (like most pilots). Got rid of ACE which I’m unsure of, but if ACE wouldn’t even participate in the RFP then I’m not sure I understand what the issue is here. I don’t like the newspapers but I also don’t really give a crap, it’s political theater. I don’t have an issue with the reps not flying. My old regional had twice as many reps for half the number of pilots as C44. So is the expectation that they fly a bunch and then don’t have time to represent the pilots?

I’m talking big picture here. Things are good. And we have an election in C44 right around the corner. Why not just wait to vote them out rather than send a message of division to management?

It seems clear to me several of you have an agenda of sorts. What it is, I don’t really know. But when you look at all of this rationally, a recall doesn’t make much sense to me.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Im an AA guy and just stopped by to see what this drama is all about. I don't understand a lot of the things you guys are talking about here but I will say that there's no way a "new guy fresh off probation" would have made as many posts arguing in favor of some reps as this guy. And he does seem to have a lot of insider info for a new guy. 99% of "new guys" keep their mouth shut and learn. So either he's a major outlier or he's pretending to be someone he's not.

Also it's funny how many old accounts that haven't posted in years suddenly came out of the wordwork and made scores of posts to defend the sitting reps. Naw that's not suspect or anything.

We saw a lot of similar shenanigans at AA as our ALPA card drive has progressed. Eventually the APA shut down the internal forum.

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer

That’s pretty rich coming from you. You were/are one of the biggest online trolls over on the AA forums. I’ve seen your posts over there and you are a steadfast gaslighter. I’m new to Delta, not new to ALPA or 121. I’m allowed an opinion and quite frankly I’m not some outlier, I don’t have a Facebook and I post on here. Plenty of pilots from my generation utilize social media to voice their opinions.

I can read information, talk to the Reps, talk to my fellow pilots, and form my own opinions contrary to some on here. I left AA and don’t post over on those forums, go back where you belong Marg. Go worry about replacing that joke of a union you have.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

Cool story bro. Are you telling me you were on The Line? Below the Line? The AArena? So you were at AA mainline too? I thought you came from the CRJ? The story keeps getting better! PM me my forum name and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. I say you're full of it because I spent as much time there as I spend here. Lots of reading and not much posting. Now I used to be active on the allegiant forums but we had even more union drama there and our former chairman is likely facing a federal indictment.

Fact remains that your posts your info and your arguments bely the fact that you are not new to Delta. And your personal attack to diminish my credibility won't change that. You're clearly a union insider or your'e being fed info by them.

Also I don't need you to tell me where I can and can't opine because you don't like what I have to say.

I hope your recalls go well.