Gunfighter

1.5 million is peanuts compared to the potential for pilot wage recovery. The financial problem is that ALPA only gets a fraction of recovered wages, so even though it is a huge boost to pilot income it is a small boost to ALPA.

The most overlooked consequence was demonstrating our union has no intention of holding the company accountable. DALPA walked away from the best available contract compliance tool they had. It's as if the MEC didn't want facts getting in the way of a "good working relationship".
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Buck Rogers

Pilots should not have to, but..........start a "Go Fund ME".......only $83 per pilot/year.....and look at the ROI to re-institute the ACE program!!!

I try to be solution oriented.

Where is that EASY BUTTON??? BAM, Done! Easy Peasy

notEnuf

If you think the settlement is reasonable, then that's your opinion and are entitled to it. What is your opinion on reinterpreting long standing precedents? 23M7, comutter flights, payback days, assignment pay etc. Are you of the opinion that these are reasonable unilateral changes?

TED74

I’m not familiar with any arbitrated agreements that were a slam dunk for Delta pilots. But I also haven’t been here as long as you have.

Can someone point me to an actual arbitration result that represents an example of best-case-scenario? I think I’ve already seen the other end of the spectrum.

The DH/Operate agreement doesn’t seem to be a home run to me, but I’m not sure I like the odds arbitration would yield that either.

Hotel Kilo

I don't keep notes and like I said earlier, there have been many and I don't remember them all. Some that come to mind are the 1992 (heard in 1998) about those that didn't want to pay dues becasue they didn't want to be a part of DALPA, they were charged an admin fee and that went to arbitration and ultimately the SCOTUS. There was some stuff with our contract in 2001. More in 2006, and another in 2008ish relating to the merger. There have been more but I don't, and have not kept a record of all of them. Those are the ones that pop into my head at the moment.

Perhaps your reps can better inform you. In my experience here, when there are clear violations of the contract, the arbitrator has ruled in favor of this pilot group in most cases. We;ve won some and lost some along the way. But that is what arbitration is. No guarantees. Having such a risk adverse MEC that is not functioning with the groups best interest, to me, is far more dangerous.

As with this MOU and the batch sizes, I think we've could have pressed and gotten better outcome for the pilot group. However or MEC is taking a different tack here and I'm not in favor of it.

CRJphlyer

My impression is that ALPA has fought back and had some wins and some losses… Literally just like at every single airline I’ve ever worked for.

StoneQOLdCrazy

Can you please elaborate? Which airlines did you work for, and what were the arbitration cases? I'd love to look them up.

CRJphlyer

I’ve worked for 4 airlines. One of them another legacy (briefly). 2 of them regionals (1 now defunct).

Viper25

This was what I’ve been told from several DARTs.

HelloNewnan

They have made some "wins" when there was some clear cut violations, mostly in scope. They didn't fly enough block hours, didn't share the right information, or so on. But the problem there is how do you compensate that? The only damages are monitary, usually calculated on the delta of what we flew versus what we were supposed to fly, and they never, ever award anything punative. It turns out to usually be a couple hundred bucks a pilot. Yeah us.

The RJ case was supposed to be "tight" and "no lose". Yea, that certainly worked out, and we probably would have been better off coming to some negotiated solution to get something, anything out of that. Instead we got zilch. I consider that the biggest fail. Worse than the M7 because we probably could have gotten something tasty out of it.

As much as I appriciate the zeal of those who just want to plant the flag, arbitrators can, and do, cause real damage to the PWA in their rulings, often in areas that are affected by how they define terms, which carries over into other sections. In this case, they could have ruled that going DH-flying or flying-DH isn't a reroute. And then not only have you completely sunk anyone getting assignment pay for those changes before the rotation starts, but you've also nuked anyone getting paid reroute pay for that during the rotation.

The last real victory I remember was the reliability program. The company tried to start tracking sick leave occurances and hassling people. That was grieved and the company was told to knock it off.