C44 Recall
06-13-2024, 08:52 AM
#331
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,837
Another ALPA give away. Now REG pilots can be rerouted prior to first airborne departure. Instead of getting assignment pay if that happened in the past now we will only get 50/100% of the changed first leg.
06-13-2024, 11:14 AM
#332
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
And these guys wonder why there’s a rush to recall them before the election..
06-13-2024, 11:20 AM
#333
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 321
Any other change is still not allowed, and if violated pays assignment pay.
In exchange, after departure on the first leg, all DH to flying or vice versas on the same flight count as reroutes, so anyone who’s had that happen and has it in “impasse” needs to send a report, if you haven’t already, and make sure you get paid.
06-13-2024, 11:26 AM
#334
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
Not 100% accurate. It can only be 1 leg, DH to flying or vice versa on the same flight, and DH to flying is by proffer only. Pays reroute pay and counts as a trigger for further RR pay (%150 to %200)
Any other change is still not allowed, and if violated pays assignment pay.
In exchange, after departure on the first leg, all DH to flying or vice versas on the same flight count as reroutes, so anyone who’s had that happen and has it in “impasse” needs to send a report, if you haven’t already, and make sure you get paid.
Any other change is still not allowed, and if violated pays assignment pay.
In exchange, after departure on the first leg, all DH to flying or vice versas on the same flight count as reroutes, so anyone who’s had that happen and has it in “impasse” needs to send a report, if you haven’t already, and make sure you get paid.
This MEC once again further devalued our PWA and cost us negotiating capital. They’ve become a complete liability, necessitating prompt removal from office.
06-13-2024, 11:36 AM
#335
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 321
Yes, and that was previously called an illegal reroute before departure of the first leg. The penalty for that required removing the entire rotation from the pilot’s schedule, with pay, or paying assignment pay (TRIPLE pay for the entire rotation).
This MEC once again further devalued our PWA and cost us negotiating capital. They’ve become a complete liability to our PWA, necessitating prompt removal from office.
This MEC once again further devalued our PWA and cost us negotiating capital. They’ve become a complete liability to our PWA, necessitating prompt removal from office.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
06-13-2024, 11:37 AM
#336
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,238
But in the above cases pilots weren’t getting that, or even paid reroute pay. They got zero because the company said “nope, flying to DH on the same flying isn’t a reroute” and not just prior to 1st departure, not at anytime.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
06-13-2024, 11:47 AM
#337
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 930
But in the above cases pilots weren’t getting that, or even paid reroute pay. They got zero because the company said “nope, flying to DH on the same flying isn’t a reroute” and not just prior to 1st departure, not at anytime.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
This settlement pays affected pilots pennies on the dollar. It is very close to the worst case scenario that an arbitrator could impose. The MEC’s running motto appears to be “We’re always going to lose in arbitration, so let’s just preemptively forfeit every time.”
Management is now choosing which section of the PWA to chip away from next.
06-13-2024, 12:58 PM
#338
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,521
Yes, and that was previously called an illegal reroute prior to departure of the first leg. The penalty for that required removing the entire rotation from the pilot’s schedule, with pay, or paying assignment pay (TRIPLE pay for the entire rotation).
This MEC once again further devalued our PWA and cost us negotiating capital. They’ve become a complete liability, necessitating prompt removal from office.
This MEC once again further devalued our PWA and cost us negotiating capital. They’ve become a complete liability, necessitating prompt removal from office.
The company HAS, in the past, paid assignment pay for these (ask me how I know). Since you mention the FB page, I assume you’ve read SK’s thoughts on it as well.
This settlement pays affected pilots pennies on the dollar. It is very close to the worst case scenario that an arbitrator could impose. The MEC’s running motto appears to be “We’re always going to lose in arbitration, so let’s just preemptively forfeit every time.”
Management is now choosing which section of the PWA to chip away from next.
This settlement pays affected pilots pennies on the dollar. It is very close to the worst case scenario that an arbitrator could impose. The MEC’s running motto appears to be “We’re always going to lose in arbitration, so let’s just preemptively forfeit every time.”
Management is now choosing which section of the PWA to chip away from next.
Also, many here are not on the book of faces, can one of you post up what's going on there? Seems many of us who do not partake of the social medias are in the dark here about some of this. I did read the MOU. But it seems some other back channel stuff was going on to get to that point.
06-13-2024, 02:55 PM
#340
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 709
But in the above cases pilots weren’t getting that, or even paid reroute pay. They got zero because the company said “nope, flying to DH on the same flying isn’t a reroute” and not just prior to 1st departure, not at anytime.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
A quick read of the FB page seem to show is that everyone in this situation was at an impasse with their scheduling disputes, and not being paid anything for any of this, and now they will be.
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