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Old 06-02-2024, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by All 5 Stages
The C81 F/O rep recall was successful because his voting record and professional behavior did not align with the overwhelming majority of the voting members' standards of stewardship. It seems as though each C44 rep has a voting record on 23.M.7. and the disingenuous self-appointed pay raise that matches the former C81 F/O rep. This, alone, should put each one up for recall.

How about professional behavior? Do any of the ATL reps use ALPA travel days when they live within driving distance to ATL? Do any of them expense gucci parking to ALPA? How long does each rep go between flying? Is it close to 70 days? 60 days? 30 days? How is their behavior during MEC meetings? Do any of the reps read a newspaper during MEC meetings?

If the voting records and professional behavior of the ATL reps do not align with the C44 pilots standards, the a recall attempt is warranted.

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​​​​​Last I heard, the chairman flew less than 90 hours in the last 12 months. As a 717 captain.
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Old 06-02-2024, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ODB2
I remember some complaining about ATL folks trying to influence the C81 recall on the message boards? Any of the big recall supporters want to tell us their current base?
Yes.

Certain members of C44 were trying to influence the C81 recall vote.

I know this for a fact. For that very reason alone I support a recall of certain members of C44.
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Old 06-02-2024, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
One of the C44 reps essentially quit after the TA. So regardless of whatever else happens, why would anyone would want him to continue...when he himself doesn't want to continue? Filling the position in absentia for a blatantly political reason should be a no-brainer reason to recall. His mindset is just bonkers.

Where did you get this information? How do you quantify "essentially quit"? I wonder if any actual C44 members could weigh in on if he answers when they call with questions. Are you saying his phone goes to voice mail? If he missed some meetings, do you know the reason? Did he tell you or put out a message that he doesn't want to continue? What did you base your assessment of "mindset" on?

Look into what the rest of them are trying to do. DA: master chairman, despite a checkered past and rabidly anti-union views. KT: full time position after his term (why do you think he pushed the pay rate hike so hard?) DDM: cushy Alpa National gig where he gets paid... with no delieverables and no job performance reviews.
Those priorities, and not C44 pilots, are driving their decisions right now.
Could you tell me his "anti-union" views? I have actually spoken to him on several occasions, seemed very engaged, knowledgeable and concerned about what is going on in our council and working to make things better and take care of pilots. Have you spoken to him? What is his "checkered" past? Is he a convicted felon? You give lots of generalities, do you have some specifics to support them?
I hope KT does get a full time position, he is exceptionally smart and I would hate to see him work for the company, but I bet they will ask him. I assure you he knows the contract well enough to make double on the line what he could make at ALPA; there is not really a financial incentive.. Do you think people doing the hard work of reps and committee members should get min reserve guarantee? If not, what should it be? Let's have a serious discussion, specific numbers and support.
Someone is going to whatever job you're saying DDM may or may not get at national. I don't know what it is, so maybe you can share and perhaps post any relevant job description? So your problem is not with him but that the position is wasteful. Could be taken as anti union, or maybe you should call YOUR rep and tell him to recommend to ALPA national that the position be eliminated.

How many C44 pilots have told you their reps are not supporting their priorities (not your priorities)? What specific priorties were being ignored? Why so? Were they getting more calls for a different postition? Did they call their rep? I think I have at different times spoken to at least 3 of them, and I am satisfied with their responsiveness and the job they are doing. Certainly no where near the drama level of a recall with well under a year of time to serve. But that's just one of about 4500.
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Old 06-02-2024, 06:48 PM
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[QUOTE=All 5 Stages;3808016]The C81 F/O rep recall was successful because his voting record and professional behavior did not align with the overwhelming majority of the voting members' standards of stewardship. It seems as though each C44 rep has a voting record on 23.M.7. and the disingenuous self-appointed pay raise that matches the former C81 F/O rep. This, alone, should put each one up for recall.

The person I am hearing, and at this point would likely support, as the number one candidate for a future rep also supported 23.M.7. Was this the way I would have liked to see that situation solved, maybe not but I don't know if I could have negotiated something better. I think it is a little better than where we were if we get the full automated report. How much do you think the reps/volunteers should make per day? Should they cap out at 72 hours? What do you base that on? You would have to pay me at least double (10:30/day, no cap) and I still don't think I'd do it. You may be different and that's cool. Throw your hat in the ring or find someone that will represent you well for what they pay now. Do you know what the new pay for them was based on?

How about professional behavior? Do any of the ATL reps use ALPA travel days when they live within driving distance to ATL? Do any of them expense gucci parking to ALPA? How long does each rep go between flying? Is it close to 70 days? 60 days? 30 days? How is their behavior during MEC meetings? Do any of the reps read a newspaper during MEC meetings?

Who pays the travel day? Do we all get paid guarantee on a DH only whether we deviate early/late or not? Can they not use their rules the way we all use the PWA, especially on the company's dime? Are you allowed to park in the employee lot if you are not on company duty? Not sure if there is an exception for ALPA work but I can't park there unless I am going to fly. I'd rather my reps work more on ALPA stuff than flying the line. If they are flying once a month or so I am fine. Others may disagree and I am fine with that. Them getting 30 hours a month or some arbitrary minimum just doesn't seem to improve my life in any way I can see. I have heard these newspaper rumors, but don't know anything factual. Where is that coming from? Was it provoked (assuming true)? I'd expect better behavior but would like to know the full circumstances before I pass judgement. I may end up agreeing with you on that one, but I also know it usually takes two to tango.
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Old 06-02-2024, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
​​​​​Last I heard, the chairman flew less than 90 hours in the last 12 months. As a 717 captain.
How much should they fly? Is there currently any min requirement? Will you look for a campaign promise from anyone who runs to fly a certain amount per year? What's that number? Why? Not just throwing this as a spear, but curious what the thought process is. I don't think I'd like to see someone just fly currency to currency as a rep, but I'm not sure how much is enough. At least a two day every month? Are they allowed to sit reserve? Should they have to sit reserve once or twice a year? I kind of like that idea. Not sure I'd demand a recall over it though.
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Old 06-02-2024, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey
Yes.

Certain members of C44 were trying to influence the C81 recall vote.

I know this for a fact. For that very reason alone I support a recall of certain members of C44.
Do you support people not in C44 trying to influence this recall? I can see where you could think it is different for a rep from another council than it is for random APC poster, but is it really? Should they not be able to weigh in and use influence for what they think is best for DALPA? When do they lose that right? What topics can they comment on?
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Old 06-02-2024, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
​​​​​Last I heard, the chairman flew less than 90 hours in the last 12 months. As a 717 captain.
I know some narrowbody pilots who are senior and work the system enough to fly less than 200 block hours a year. I guess they are unfit to be reps while maintaining that same schedule?
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Old 06-02-2024, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
I know some narrowbody pilots who are senior and work the system enough to fly less than 200 block hours a year. I guess they are unfit to be reps while maintaining that same schedule?
At 60% seniority on a NB fleet? No you don't.
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Old 06-02-2024, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed;[url=tel:3808040
3808040[/url]]I know some narrowbody pilots who are senior and work the system enough to fly less than 200 block hours a year. I guess they are unfit to be reps while maintaining that same schedule?
Man, I am with you. That is the guy I want, he knows the system. The last guy you want is someone who just takes what he gets from PBS. That’s who is getting abused by the company, and willingly. Not saying you’re wrong if you do that, but I don’t want you to be my rep. I want you on the l line senior to me, I want the other guy in the office fighting the company.
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Old 06-02-2024, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
At 60% seniority on a NB fleet? No you don't.
where did I stipulate a percentage? I said “senior”.

you insinuated that he’s not flying enough, so are all the other pilots who fly the same amount also unfit to be reps?
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