StoneQOLdCrazy

It may not be why people dislike him, but it's certianly a factor in the reason he should not have the privilege of sticking around or being elected as MEC chairman.

Case in point: the freedom flyers were 100% behind the current training council status rep's election. Dude has zero ALPA experience. Heck, DA, probaly wrote his campaign letters.

Now the C48 (training) rep is a DA/C44 rubber stamp.

That's why the freedom flyers and their mailing list is a factor.

Scoop

So an unvaxed person is going to "murder" a vaccinated person, who by nature of being vaccinated, should be protected. ?????? That always made me wonder. If the vaccinations worked why would vaccinated people care if others were vaccinated or not?

Covid almost became a religon for some - you had to believe and could not question anything about it.

It was a strange time - I just hope we learned so as not to repeat this in the future.

Scoop

Sputnik

I never saw anything in the C48 election about FF.

StoneQOLdCrazy

Nothing in his campaign letters.
But the email list was working behind the scenes.

170Till5

kids these days lack principles and spite with trying to cut deals

Bucking Bar

Never heard any stories that anyone took it that far. Your medical records are your business. You obviously have a Medical Certificate, so the flight's good to go.

The people on the extremes seemed to lack compassion. The key is a little empathy.

ALPA should default to whatever the best guidance is for the safety of the pilots, crew and customers. Safety is literally the foundational issue for our association.

There wasn't one right answer. Our knowledge and the tools available to deal with the virus were rapidly changing. The best way to analyze anything is to be neither pro, or con. As much as one can wipe their mind of preconcieved notions and bias, the better the decision will be.

CRJphlyer

You sure do seem awfully quick to go on the attack. I’ve been supportive of the C44 reps because I thought they have been generally doing a good job and I don’t really fly with anyone who says or offers any opinions to the contrary. I’ve only ever even interacted with them on a handful of occasions over the past year. I’m not the most informed pilot out there, but this isn’t my first rodeo and I have a natural skepticism that pushes me to ask questions. Accusing me of manipulation and “fear tactics” is quite the stretch and undermines your own position.

Yea. The aquarium thing seemed extremely tone deaf. Not even sure why that needed to be said.

ODB2

So do we know why the recall was initiated? I have heard ad hominem attacks against the reps for their letter Saturday morning, but not a refutation of anything they said. Definitely would be a failure of fiscal responsibility if they didn't ask for a "rain check" on the Aquarium down payment, but do you know they didn't ask, or just assuming the worst of them? Did you call to ask directly if it means that much to you?

So it seems there is more nuance to the 23M7 agreement as noted by Fangs, and that one of the leading candidates to potentially replace the current reps was a big supporter of that agreement. So what will he do different than the current reps? Honest question. Seems like they worked well together for a couple years before the falling out.

Should the standard for ALPA volunteer compensation be reserve guarantee? I sat through most of the winter on reserve and flew very little. The ALPA volunteers put in much more work than I did and I fully expect them to be better compensated. The current C44 reps are getting that benefit for less than a year (unless they continue in ALPA work), less than a third of their time in office. In effect, they are increasing the amount of competition they will have for future ALPA positions. Any of the recall party know what the new rates were based on? If you asked your reps they could explain it to you but I'll put it here best I can recollect if you're not willing to engage with your union.

"Flying the Line" was brought up earlier in the recall discussion. I agree every ALPA member should read both volumes. I hope everyone realizes they are in AeroDocs, so you can read it on company time. Wonder how it got there?

Seems EM is catching heat for not making all the meetings. Anyone called to ask where he was? Assuming the worst again?

I have fortunately not had to go to a meeting with the company and bring a rep, but I have talked to folks who have and they said they had excellent representation from the C44 reps. Do you want to go talk to the Chief Pilot with someone who knows the contract and FOM inside out and forms rational arguments, or with someone who makes personal attacks and thinks "no" and yelling louder is the way to handle conflict?

I appreciate the questions CRJPhlyer is asking. If he "has a history of being a C44 supporter," does that mean his views are invalid or he doesn't have a right to post? Maybe some of you trying to shut him down could pick up his Socratic approach and try to understand where he is coming from. Many of the replies from his opposition infer, if not explicitly state, that their opinions are the majority of C44 pilots and that the Reps are going against that will. Does the polling support that? Just because you post more doesn't mean more pilots agree with you.

Do I remember some complaining about ATL folks trying to influence the C81 recall on the message boards? Any of the big recall supporters want to tell us their current base? Not saying you don't have the right to share your opinion, but maybe some disclosure would be appropriate.

I mostly lurk, just trying to catch the modern version of water cooler conversation. I appreciate how this group of reps has performed and don't want to let a vocal minority drive the narrative. The TA they supported and brought to the pilots passed at nearly 4 to 1. From the folks I talk to, it would seem the level of support has increased as the contract has been implemented. They may not make every decision exactly the way I would, but I can easily say we are in a much better place now than when they took over.

StoneQOLdCrazy

One of the C44 reps essentially quit after the TA. So regardless of whatever else happens, why would anyone would want him to continue...when he himself doesn't want to continue? Filling the position in absentia for a blatantly political reason should be a no-brainer reason to recall. His mindset is just bonkers.

Look into what the rest of them are trying to do. DA: master chairman, despite a checkered past and rabidly anti-union views. KT: full time position after his term (why do you think he pushed the pay rate hike so hard?) DDM: cushy Alpa National gig where he gets paid... with no delieverables and no job performance reviews.
Those priorities, and not C44 pilots, are driving their decisions right now.

All 5 Stages

The C81 F/O rep recall was successful because his voting record and professional behavior did not align with the overwhelming majority of the voting members' standards of stewardship. It seems as though each C44 rep has a voting record on 23.M.7. and the disingenuous self-appointed pay raise that matches the former C81 F/O rep. This, alone, should put each one up for recall.

How about professional behavior? Do any of the ATL reps use ALPA travel days when they live within driving distance to ATL? Do any of them expense gucci parking to ALPA? How long does each rep go between flying? Is it close to 70 days? 60 days? 30 days? How is their behavior during MEC meetings? Do any of the reps read a newspaper during MEC meetings?

If the voting records and professional behavior of the ATL reps do not align with the C44 pilots' standard of good stewardship, then a recall attempt is warranted.

A5S