C44 Recall
06-02-2024, 11:57 AM
#101
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It's worth a shot! They are operating in relative anonymity (that's harder than I thought to spell, btw!) I bet a spotlght shined on them would absolutely alter behavior.
06-02-2024, 12:08 PM
#102
Can't abide NAI
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If that were only the case, I'd support their stance. It's not. They want people to prescribe to their world view or be punished. How many freedom flyers claim that any pilot who received the Covid vaccine is a threat and will suddenly have heart issues? I've seen quite a few argue that. What about the C44 chairman's complete opposition toward mental health reforms within ALPA and the FAA?
I actually like the guy and he is a good pilot. Definately not a boring trip.
06-02-2024, 12:22 PM
#103
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
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If that were only the case, I'd support their stance. It's not. They want people to prescribe to their world view or be punished. How many freedom flyers claim that any pilot who received the Covid vaccine is a threat and will suddenly have heart issues? I've seen quite a few argue that. What about the C44 chairman's complete opposition toward mental health reforms within ALPA and the FAA?
06-02-2024, 12:26 PM
#104
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On an international trip, as we prepared for the return leg, the other pilot asked me if I had gotten a vaccine. Told him "yes, because my kids like Disney cruises...." He informed me that since I had taken an experimental non-approved drug that I did not have a valid medical certificate and was unfit to fly. Took some CRM skills to keep things straight enough to get out of the gate.
I actually like the guy and he is a good pilot. Definately not a boring trip.
I actually like the guy and he is a good pilot. Definately not a boring trip.
06-02-2024, 12:43 PM
#105
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"A chorus of whistleblowers alleging that COVID-19 inoculations may have turned pilots into airborne ticking time bombs seems to be growing louder. Experienced military, medical, and aviation personnel are citing increasing concerns about potential catastrophic side effects of the shots—such as strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms—occurring during flights. The whistleblowers allege that federal mandates ordering the jabs conflict with FAA standards for medications. Under those regulations, pilots are barred from flying when using drugs that earned FDA approval less than a year prior. COVID shots were administered under Emergency Use Authorization, not full FDA approval."
It's certainly one thing to say that you don't want to take the shot and another to call anyone who did a danger to aviation.
To your other comment, there are extremes about everything. Certainly it was a little more heated during the height of the pandemic because there was a lot at stake for everyone. I'd be shocked if anyone currently holds that view.
I have no problem with people who didn't want to get the shot. But to frame it as everyone who took it is a ticking time bomb is reckless. And this whole conversation even came up about it because DA ran on a FF platform. He openly admitted in the crew that is ran on. And then to try and impose his own medical "expertise" on other pilots is hypocrisy. And while FF might actually hold the beliefs your friend has, DA is a FF with a platform. And what he says is easily misconstrued as the FF platform
06-02-2024, 12:50 PM
#106
Bent over by buybacks
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 773
4500+ pilots in C44? I'm betting there will be a number of talented candidates willing to serve.
If SK decides to run, he'll make a case for the job just like everyone else.
If C44 pilots decide enough is enough from the current complacent, arrogant bunch...there won't be a shortage of choices to replace them.
But please stop with the DA-style manipulative Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt tactics. You're not fooling anyone.
Also, has anyone asked DA if he attempted to roll the Aquarium deposit over to the next LEC meeting? I bet he didn't even try. His immediate response to the pilot asking to place a recall on the agenda was to impose a non-required hurdle...and to state that the deposit would be lost.
He's willing to throw $3800 away so he can blame the folks in favor of recall for that lost dues money. Standard DA tactics and manipulation. He must think his constituents are idiots.
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06-02-2024, 01:01 PM
#107
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This was on their website:
"A chorus of whistleblowers alleging that COVID-19 inoculations may have turned pilots into airborne ticking time bombs seems to be growing louder. Experienced military, medical, and aviation personnel are citing increasing concerns about potential catastrophic side effects of the shots—such as strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms—occurring during flights. The whistleblowers allege that federal mandates ordering the jabs conflict with FAA standards for medications. Under those regulations, pilots are barred from flying when using drugs that earned FDA approval less than a year prior. COVID shots were administered under Emergency Use Authorization, not full FDA approval."
It's certainly one thing to say that you don't want to take the shot and another to call anyone who did a danger to aviation.
To your other comment, there are extremes about everything. Certainly it was a little more heated during the height of the pandemic because there was a lot at stake for everyone. I'd be shocked if anyone currently holds that view.
I have no problem with people who didn't want to get the shot. But to frame it as everyone who took it is a ticking time bomb is reckless. And this whole conversation even came up about it because DA ran on a FF platform. He openly admitted in the crew that is ran on. And then to try and impose his own medical "expertise" on other pilots is hypocrisy. And while FF might actually hold the beliefs your friend has, DA is a FF with a platform. And what he says is easily misconstrued as the FF platform
"A chorus of whistleblowers alleging that COVID-19 inoculations may have turned pilots into airborne ticking time bombs seems to be growing louder. Experienced military, medical, and aviation personnel are citing increasing concerns about potential catastrophic side effects of the shots—such as strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms—occurring during flights. The whistleblowers allege that federal mandates ordering the jabs conflict with FAA standards for medications. Under those regulations, pilots are barred from flying when using drugs that earned FDA approval less than a year prior. COVID shots were administered under Emergency Use Authorization, not full FDA approval."
It's certainly one thing to say that you don't want to take the shot and another to call anyone who did a danger to aviation.
To your other comment, there are extremes about everything. Certainly it was a little more heated during the height of the pandemic because there was a lot at stake for everyone. I'd be shocked if anyone currently holds that view.
I have no problem with people who didn't want to get the shot. But to frame it as everyone who took it is a ticking time bomb is reckless. And this whole conversation even came up about it because DA ran on a FF platform. He openly admitted in the crew that is ran on. And then to try and impose his own medical "expertise" on other pilots is hypocrisy. And while FF might actually hold the beliefs your friend has, DA is a FF with a platform. And what he says is easily misconstrued as the FF platform
06-02-2024, 01:23 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,510
This was on their website:
"A chorus of whistleblowers alleging that COVID-19 inoculations may have turned pilots into airborne ticking time bombs seems to be growing louder. Experienced military, medical, and aviation personnel are citing increasing concerns about potential catastrophic side effects of the shots—such as strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms—occurring during flights. The whistleblowers allege that federal mandates ordering the jabs conflict with FAA standards for medications. Under those regulations, pilots are barred from flying when using drugs that earned FDA approval less than a year prior. COVID shots were administered under Emergency Use Authorization, not full FDA approval."
It's certainly one thing to say that you don't want to take the shot and another to call anyone who did a danger to aviation.
To your other comment, there are extremes about everything. Certainly it was a little more heated during the height of the pandemic because there was a lot at stake for everyone. I'd be shocked if anyone currently holds that view.
I have no problem with people who didn't want to get the shot. But to frame it as everyone who took it is a ticking time bomb is reckless. And this whole conversation even came up about it because DA ran on a FF platform. He openly admitted in the crew that is ran on. And then to try and impose his own medical "expertise" on other pilots is hypocrisy. And while FF might actually hold the beliefs your friend has, DA is a FF with a platform. And what he says is easily misconstrued as the FF platform
"A chorus of whistleblowers alleging that COVID-19 inoculations may have turned pilots into airborne ticking time bombs seems to be growing louder. Experienced military, medical, and aviation personnel are citing increasing concerns about potential catastrophic side effects of the shots—such as strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms—occurring during flights. The whistleblowers allege that federal mandates ordering the jabs conflict with FAA standards for medications. Under those regulations, pilots are barred from flying when using drugs that earned FDA approval less than a year prior. COVID shots were administered under Emergency Use Authorization, not full FDA approval."
It's certainly one thing to say that you don't want to take the shot and another to call anyone who did a danger to aviation.
To your other comment, there are extremes about everything. Certainly it was a little more heated during the height of the pandemic because there was a lot at stake for everyone. I'd be shocked if anyone currently holds that view.
I have no problem with people who didn't want to get the shot. But to frame it as everyone who took it is a ticking time bomb is reckless. And this whole conversation even came up about it because DA ran on a FF platform. He openly admitted in the crew that is ran on. And then to try and impose his own medical "expertise" on other pilots is hypocrisy. And while FF might actually hold the beliefs your friend has, DA is a FF with a platform. And what he says is easily misconstrued as the FF platform
To add. I read the transcripts from Fauci's January tesitmony in the House. It's pretty bad. He basically made up the 6 foot rule and masks. He might have had reasons at the time. You know prevent a rush on masks so that our med folks would not run out or something like that. I don't know. And I'm not going to debate that here. He's supposed to be there on Monday to testify again. I'll be watching that for sure.
Things are surfacing about this whole debacle and it seems many of the folks that spoke out against it got throttled - turns out they were correct (Ivermectin comes to mind). To me it was a very sad time for our nation, that people would literally call me a murderer for not getting vaccinated. I never questioned whether some one did, or did not. It's not my business. We still have pilots wearing masks to this day. Whatever, that's what you want, fine. None of my business. That's how it should be.
I'll also be watching how the C44 stuff plays out. I agree with StoneCold, plenty of good people out there to be elected. Folks will step up, they always have in the past.
06-02-2024, 02:06 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,518
Disclaimer. I support the freedom flyers "hands off my body" principle. Nonya. Period. Dot. I also did not get vaccinated. My decision, no one elses. I don't see where FF is against pilot mental health and other issues.
To add. I read the transcripts from Fauci's January tesitmony in the House. It's pretty bad. He basically made up the 6 foot rule and masks. He might have had reasons at the time. You know prevent a rush on masks so that our med folks would not run out or something like that. I don't know. And I'm not going to debate that here. He's supposed to be there on Monday to testify again. I'll be watching that for sure.
Things are surfacing about this whole debacle and it seems many of the folks that spoke out against it got throttled - turns out they were correct (Ivermectin comes to mind). To me it was a very sad time for our nation, that people would literally call me a murderer for not getting vaccinated. I never questioned whether some one did, or did not. It's not my business. We still have pilots wearing masks to this day. Whatever, that's what you want, fine. None of my business. That's how it should be.
I'll also be watching how the C44 stuff plays out. I agree with StoneCold, plenty of good people out there to be elected. Folks will step up, they always have in the past.
To add. I read the transcripts from Fauci's January tesitmony in the House. It's pretty bad. He basically made up the 6 foot rule and masks. He might have had reasons at the time. You know prevent a rush on masks so that our med folks would not run out or something like that. I don't know. And I'm not going to debate that here. He's supposed to be there on Monday to testify again. I'll be watching that for sure.
Things are surfacing about this whole debacle and it seems many of the folks that spoke out against it got throttled - turns out they were correct (Ivermectin comes to mind). To me it was a very sad time for our nation, that people would literally call me a murderer for not getting vaccinated. I never questioned whether some one did, or did not. It's not my business. We still have pilots wearing masks to this day. Whatever, that's what you want, fine. None of my business. That's how it should be.
I'll also be watching how the C44 stuff plays out. I agree with StoneCold, plenty of good people out there to be elected. Folks will step up, they always have in the past.
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