sailingfun

I think it's dead. The airlines jumped in with the reality of what it would do to scheduling among other issues.

Bucking Bar

I would say their own MEC sold them down the river for $660,000,000.00 (per the bankruptcy transcript) I will tell you the exact same thing I told JC Lawson:

Who do the Delta pilots work for?

Delta

Who does the Delta MEC negotiate with?

Delta

Who owns Comair?

Delta

JC Lawson's stupid letter was absolutely meaningless. It provided political cover for those who wanted to sell out the junior Delta pilots. Our Delta MEC Chair could have picked up the phone to Delta Air Lines and Delta would have been happy to have qualified pilots doing the back-fill flying that the Delta MEC had permitted. Instead of helping the junior Delta pilots, the MEC used the opportunity to negotiate.

As the then MEC Chair told me "scope just gets you to the table."

How do I know this? How do I know that a single call would have opened the door? Because it did at ASA (it was the ASA pilots that made that call).

ASA was happy to hire Delta pilots in Atlanta and a little more than a dozen actually came over. ASA greeted those pilots with open arms and to their great credit, the Delta pilots who flew for ASA did a great job with a terrific attitude. When Delta resumed hiring in 2007 a large percent of those intitial Delta hires were people who made connections with Delta pilots.

End result: ASA pilots got hired. JC Lawson's own son lost his job when Comair shuttered.

Hoosier Daddy

It's not dead, dead. It isn't well, though.

It still has to be passed by the full Senate and then both versions have to be negotiated in conference with the House.

StoneQOLdCrazy

It would absolutely have a profound impact on younger pilots. The increased premiums Delta will pay due to raising the age will need to be addressed somewhere, and it will greatly affect the next contract negotiation.

In the meantime, Delta would cut where it could. I be they could save a few hundred thousand dollars a month if they started putting us in ****ty hotels. No more hiltons or marriotts. That's the first thing they'd do. And save money by clamping down on sick calls, and doubling down on improperly paying us, with their "IT" problems.

Bucking Bar

Age 67 will probably happen eventually, but not now.

The best case is a study and coordination with ICAO to minimize disruption.

tcco94

By the time all of that occurs what would be the point

I’m sure 2 man augmented crews is going to happen faster.

FangsF15

This is really the only part of your argument I am taking issue. You seem to have a presupposition that concessions are somehow inevitable if 67 passes. I just don't see how the company can turn that around on us. I mean, ALPA was fighting hard against it, just like the company was (albeit behind the scenes). In fact, if anything, I think ALPA will have the upper hand, especially if ICAO does not go first.

In the big scheme of things, it's just another 'cost of doing business' the company will have to absorb. Again, I'm not say there are zero repercussions (like increased scrutiny by Harvey-Watt, or reduction in topline negotiating room, or similar).

Certainly for those who have legitimately lost their medical, how can you say that 67 is not a win? And for everyone else who is worried about a condition rearing its ugly head someday (like me, who has been on LTD 2x already), it is absolutely in the "pro" column. I get that you disagree, and see it as a con, actually. We can agree to disagree.

Bucking Bar

Is this to improve the profession, the industry, or just a couple of pilots who want an extra million?

That is where the lobbying and lawsuits have pushed back a lot of people who might be supporters. If you want ALPA on your side, you got to get the votes.

boog123

Guaranteed if 67 passes, you’re here at 65 and a day. guaranteed

sailingfun

I know you keep discounting it but I was at the meeting where the Comair MEC said that they were going to try and force a merger and if so would invoke ALPA merger policy and push for a DOH integration. That was the end of support for them.