67 is dead,
02-17-2024, 05:59 PM
#301
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
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The really sad thing now is that those that endured 9/11, bankruptcy, merger, loss/theft of pension/, 60>65 stagnation, etc get almost no sympathy from those who followed becuase too many of them overplayed thier bad hand. The worst offenders make 'Uncle Rico' look virtuous. But in overdoing it, they turned everyone else against them hard. And permanantly so. But thier plight is worthy of being recorded and remembered by the rest of us, if for no other reason as to be instructive should (when) anything similar happen in the future.
The DZ'ers would have been a whole lot better off, strategically and financially, had they been good union members and sought unity instead of leveraging division. More pilots (unity) would have meant more power.
Today the "better than you" and "entitlement" justification falls flat because unlike days past, they don't have the numbers and the politicians go where the votes are.
I think age 67 will happen when the proponents stop being so self-absorbed and redirect to the economics that benefits the pilot group and even our nation.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 02-17-2024 at 06:22 PM.
02-17-2024, 06:21 PM
#302
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
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and it would seem lessons have been learned. The MEC tries to direct inclusive scope with staffing cures.
The DZ'ers would have been a whole lot better off, strategically and financially, had they been good union members and sought unity instead of leveraging division. Grievance politics is the cotton candy of lazy politicians.
Today the "better than you" and "entitlement" justification falls flat because unlike days past, they don't have the numbers and the politicians go where the votes are.
I think age 67 will happen when the proponents stop being so self-absorbed and instead focus on the economics that benefits the pilot group and even our nation. If they can pull their heads out of their ass and for once stop being selfish, then they'll probably succeed.
The DZ'ers would have been a whole lot better off, strategically and financially, had they been good union members and sought unity instead of leveraging division. Grievance politics is the cotton candy of lazy politicians.
Today the "better than you" and "entitlement" justification falls flat because unlike days past, they don't have the numbers and the politicians go where the votes are.
I think age 67 will happen when the proponents stop being so self-absorbed and instead focus on the economics that benefits the pilot group and even our nation. If they can pull their heads out of their ass and for once stop being selfish, then they'll probably succeed.
02-17-2024, 06:23 PM
#304
Can't abide NAI
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02-19-2024, 02:54 PM
#306
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 173
and it would seem lessons have been learned. The MEC tries to direct inclusive scope with staffing cures.
The DZ'ers would have been a whole lot better off, strategically and financially, had they been good union members and sought unity instead of leveraging division. More pilots (unity) would have meant more power.
Today the "better than you" and "entitlement" justification falls flat because unlike days past, they don't have the numbers and the politicians go where the votes are.
I think age 67 will happen when the proponents stop being so self-absorbed and redirect to the economics that benefits the pilot group and even our nation.
The DZ'ers would have been a whole lot better off, strategically and financially, had they been good union members and sought unity instead of leveraging division. More pilots (unity) would have meant more power.
Today the "better than you" and "entitlement" justification falls flat because unlike days past, they don't have the numbers and the politicians go where the votes are.
I think age 67 will happen when the proponents stop being so self-absorbed and redirect to the economics that benefits the pilot group and even our nation.
02-20-2024, 07:09 AM
#307
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Posts: 4,971
You can be against 67 for valid reasons. Your post wasn’t one of them.
02-20-2024, 07:19 AM
#308
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 899
Every pilot who goes past 67 would benefit? Do you think currently every pilot who goes to 65 does so because they want to?
02-20-2024, 07:22 AM
#309
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 4,666
Where are the TA1 TVM advocates? This is a valid case for the TVM argument.
02-20-2024, 07:25 AM
#310
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
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Even though I'm against 67, I'll concede it would be pretty easy for a pilot to stay till the very end of theyre very senior, in the seat they want, flying what they want, and with the days off they want.
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