67 is dead,
02-15-2024, 02:56 PM
#222
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Every Delta pilot should be a bit agnostic on the issue. Most just get emotional and don't think it through. Yes it will cost a years movement give or take a month or two. On the positive side every pilot would have a choice of two options and a Third possibility with no choice.
1. Work tell 67. (Significant retirement boost)
2. Retire early
3. Forced out medically (50% plus of our pilots) and receive two additional years of disability pay plus medical coverage.
If you laid out the above to a financial guy he would likely tell you that you would be a fool not to support 67 regardless of your current seniority or date of hire. Before all the posts start about how your all retiring at 50 you won't! For the few that might go early 67 makes early out program offers more financially viable to the company and thus more likely to be offered.
I don't support 67 but only beciause I feel from a medical and cognitive standard 65 is right. From a career standard 67 would probably benefit most pilots more than hurt.
1. Work tell 67. (Significant retirement boost)
2. Retire early
3. Forced out medically (50% plus of our pilots) and receive two additional years of disability pay plus medical coverage.
If you laid out the above to a financial guy he would likely tell you that you would be a fool not to support 67 regardless of your current seniority or date of hire. Before all the posts start about how your all retiring at 50 you won't! For the few that might go early 67 makes early out program offers more financially viable to the company and thus more likely to be offered.
I don't support 67 but only beciause I feel from a medical and cognitive standard 65 is right. From a career standard 67 would probably benefit most pilots more than hurt.
If the age increases, pilots will figure out how to maximize for the new reality Spreading two years of work out over the last 4 is a good way to pocket the same money plus an extra 10 weeks of paid vacation.
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02-15-2024, 03:45 PM
#223
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Every Delta pilot should be a bit agnostic on the issue. Most just get emotional and don't think it through. Yes it will cost a years movement give or take a month or two. On the positive side every pilot would have a choice of two options and a Third possibility with no choice.
1. Work tell 67. (Significant retirement boost)
2. Retire early
3. Forced out medically (50% plus of our pilots) and receive two additional years of disability pay plus medical coverage.
If you laid out the above to a financial guy he would likely tell you that you would be a fool not to support 67 regardless of your current seniority or date of hire. Before all the posts start about how your all retiring at 50 you won't! For the few that might go early 67 makes early out program offers more financially viable to the company and thus more likely to be offered.
I don't support 67 but only beciause I feel from a medical and cognitive standard 65 is right. From a career standard 67 would probably benefit most pilots more than hurt.
1. Work tell 67. (Significant retirement boost)
2. Retire early
3. Forced out medically (50% plus of our pilots) and receive two additional years of disability pay plus medical coverage.
If you laid out the above to a financial guy he would likely tell you that you would be a fool not to support 67 regardless of your current seniority or date of hire. Before all the posts start about how your all retiring at 50 you won't! For the few that might go early 67 makes early out program offers more financially viable to the company and thus more likely to be offered.
I don't support 67 but only beciause I feel from a medical and cognitive standard 65 is right. From a career standard 67 would probably benefit most pilots more than hurt.
With us being alone at 67, I’m very opposed.
The absolute s### show that would follow from age 67 but not being allowed to fly internationally that old would be truly harmful to the pilots.
02-15-2024, 03:56 PM
#224
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The only guys who get an extra two years "on top" are those closest to retirement. Everyone else gets the extra time exactly where they are right now.
Yet the old guys shilling for 67 refuse to acknowledge that.
02-15-2024, 03:59 PM
#225
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02-15-2024, 04:12 PM
#226
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What do they consider ‘theirs,’ you may ask? Well, that’s simple: all of it. Everything they can possibly get.
*”They” in this context does not refer to anyone of a certain age, but you know who they are.
02-15-2024, 04:26 PM
#227
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“If the strong majority of 16,000 Delta pilots don’t agree with me it’s because they get emotional and haven’t thought it through. Same with the majorities at all the other carriers.”
02-15-2024, 05:24 PM
#228
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They* will never acknowledge it because they simply Do Not Care. They want what they consider theirs, and they don’t care about anyone else.
What do they consider ‘theirs,’ you may ask? Well, that’s simple: all of it. Everything they can possibly get.
*”They” in this context does not refer to anyone of a certain age, but you know who they are.
What do they consider ‘theirs,’ you may ask? Well, that’s simple: all of it. Everything they can possibly get.
*”They” in this context does not refer to anyone of a certain age, but you know who they are.
Like someone else posted, I am against age 67 without ICAO raising their limit. Even if ICAO goes to 67 I still think I'd be for keeping age 65, but if ICAO goes my guess is the US will follow suit very quickly.
02-15-2024, 05:35 PM
#229
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For anyone, of any age, who wants to maximize total career earnings, 67 would give them potentially two more years of career income wherever they happen to be sitting when it takes effect. That might be RJ FO, it might be WB CA, or anything in between. Even two years as an RJ FO is more than early social security.
I certainly see why the majority are opposed, but it's not a career catastrophe for everyone. If it's an extra year or less (perhaps they have to pay some seniors to stay home due to ICAO), that's not much of a catastrophe for anyone.
02-15-2024, 05:36 PM
#230
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I mean technically both sides are right. If 67 passes pilots will have the option to work 2 additional years, which will increase total career earnings as well as delay drawing down retirement money. But you must work those 2 additional years to top out where you will currently top out at 65 (give or take people senior to you not going all the way to 67). It seems like the younger pilots, er, I mean "Junior", prefers better seniority faster with a better overall QOL in exchange for reduced total career earnings.
People who conflate/confuse their profession with their identity are happy to die in their workplace. People with a healthy sense of self and understanding of who they are as people do not.
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