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Old 01-05-2024, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
This is the sequel to SEA 7ER. It will be a slow drawdown of LAX 7ER with no backfills as pilots bid out. We will see a few As take a swing at LAX 350 or possibly even SEA 330. LAX has quite a few TX commuters who could be tempted by ATL or DTW 330. It's a big relative seniority sacrifice to leave the 7ER for a WB, but a few of the Bs may move over to the 350. The senior pilots who value relative seniority may AE to LAX 320 and fly the 321 NEO for the same pay. Most will be better served waiting it out for the MD in a year.
There are also a lot of Denver commuters in LAX. I did a 5 day trip years ago with 4 Denver layovers and days 2-4 we did an LAX round trip....we had 2 jumpseaters each way to and from LAX, every leg, plus other pilots nonrevving in the back. It really surprised me, being that SLC was so much closer. Most pilots were commuting to the 777 or A350 (that's how many years ago it was) but a couple were 737 pilots. I know it's a small sample size and it was 4-5 years ago, but still....
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Old 01-05-2024, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Yeah, it's no risk now with the freebee withdrawl.
I think it’s once per career on that withdrawal, so some might want to hang on to it for that eventual buyers remorse bid.
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Old 01-05-2024, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Thanks. My bids are still in from the last few AEs, but I don't see it happening. WBA will be senior to the last two AEs.
Just watch and wait....I got 330A on the November bid....but this is normally how it plays out, they spread A330 openings around the system and at least half of the awards will be currently awarded NYC A330 A's in NYC. I bet at least 20 NYC A330 A's will be awarded with seniority greater than 4000. I don't know if it will get to you, but there will be substantial backfills in NYC.
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Old 01-05-2024, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Vsop
I think it’s once per career on that withdrawal, so some might want to hang on to it for that eventual buyers remorse bid.
For those of us who never had it, it's a tool to be used not admired.
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Old 01-05-2024, 10:20 AM
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The whole reason it’s being held up is on funding for the wars is it not?
I think the FAA Reauthorization was going to be a clean bill for the most part. I know some in the Senate were opposing it because of pilot training language. I don't know if that's why it hasn't gotten a hearing or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they sat on it until the house addresses Ukraine and Israel. I certainly don't think it's a given it'll get by without any amendments.
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Old 01-05-2024, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by akscott60
No kidding, espcially since the DTW 71A has shrunk over the last few AEs.
Are they just willing to run 717A that much hotter? Doesn't make a lot of sense, but I guess we will see what happens with it.
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Old 01-05-2024, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I think the FAA Reauthorization was going to be a clean bill for the most part. I know some in the Senate were opposing it because of pilot training language. I don't know if that's why it hasn't gotten a hearing or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they sat on it until the house addresses Ukraine and Israel. I certainly don't think it's a given it'll get by without any amendments.
This was last in depth detail I saw on what was going on and sounds like they haven’t even debated 67 yet anyways. Seems like there’s a long way to go and there’s a lot of skepticism in Washington about 67 based on this. Not saying it won’t happen but I don’t think they even have it figured out.

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Old 01-05-2024, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
This is the sequel to SEA 7ER. It will be a slow drawdown of LAX 7ER with no backfills as pilots bid out. We will see a few As take a swing at LAX 350 or possibly even SEA 330. LAX has quite a few TX commuters who could be tempted by ATL or DTW 330. It's a big relative seniority sacrifice to leave the 7ER for a WB, but a few of the Bs may move over to the 350. The senior pilots who value relative seniority may AE to LAX 320 and fly the 321 NEO for the same pay. Most will be better served waiting it out for the MD in a year.
I do agree seems like LAX ER is on bought time but there’s still a lot of flying out of the west that they can’t close the base in a year. The Hawaii can be replaced by other crews but until we swap HND to a 330 the inefficient trip builds with NYC/ATL crews will hurt the company. I mean we just started up HNL-SEA again. Then the Chinese visa problem for the maintenance trips. Also big missing piece in this is mass amount of west coast charters which our contract goes to 2025. I think base will relatively be same size with natural reduction and no addition for another year or 2 until we figure out what goes on with NBA contracts. Bob always said LAX ER will kinda be this size until 2025 then they will draw down. Perhaps after the summer we will see what happens. I don’t think it’s as dire as SEA ER was because they lost almost all of their flying near the days of closure. Lax is very far from that.
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Old 01-05-2024, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Are they just willing to run 717A that much hotter? Doesn't make a lot of sense, but I guess we will see what happens with it.
ATL 717A has been extremely devoid of GS for most of this year. Then December hit and nearly every coverage code available was on the coverage list last month. And from the look of things it hasn't stopped. Someone today just got G#3 on the 5th day of the month. 2 H awards and an assignment given out yesterday. So those 5 total positions added between DTW and ATL aren't going to do squat for staffing.
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Are they just willing to run 717A that much hotter? Doesn't make a lot of sense, but I guess we will see what happens with it.
They’re staffed well with pretty low attrition.
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