schwifty

Have they offered any A spots? My understanding was they were just restaffing the Bs for balancing since As weren't bidding out voluntarily (but I haven't paid close attention).

CruJones

Hopefully we can get better NB paybanding in the next contract to keep things balanced a little more. The gap between 73N/320 and 717 on the A side is getting a little silly.

-waiting my turn

crewdawg

Agreed. We went from being 93% of of 320 pay (not even 321 pay) in the last contract, to 89% of it in this contract. It should have been banded to the A221, which sits at 92%. When you consider that we also didn't get the 1 and 2 day trip mix protections, the 717 kinda got thrown out with the bath water in this contract.

AlikesitR

I think they just are backfilling captains and targeting 200 a side. At least that’s what I recall the AE saying.

FangsF15

I know it's been said before, but the NC said when they looked at the results of this provision on the 717 (and 220?) bid packets, the results were undesirable. I don't recall "how" they were undesirable, but there was a reason they were excluded.

As a 320 guy (for which reserve guarantee will pay 7ER rates starting in May 25), who wont see much additional benefit, I'd fully support pay banding to 3 pay bands - "Small NB", "Large NB" and "WB". No more of this $1.88 hour difference between variants crap, or leaving the 717 behind.

game

The A220 didn't get trip protection either.

If you're sour about life on the 717, maybe just bid off it?? This is a big airline with something for everyone. BWYWWWYB

My projection for the March AE

WBA: 2,9XX - WAG
WBB: 14,7XX - there'll even be some CJO folks licking their chops from the sidelines thinking they'll snatch the brass ring right out of indoc.
NBA: 15,2XX - gonna be ATL717A: Because who wants to fly a decrepit jet that "got thrown out with the bath water?"

crewdawg

I've heard that mentioned, too bad they didn't publish some of those horrible bid packet results for the group to see. Last month they actually hit the numbers (of course that was corrected this month lol) and the rest of the bid backet was mostly the same, if not better. The 1 and 2 days were so horrible that the senior guys came out in force and gobbled them up. The rest of the packet was actually pretty decent. Maybe they just looked at ATL717? Could it be different in other parts of the year, maybe. But as with everything else, there should be a decent mix of all the trip lengths.





100% agree that they should have been included as well.



I understand what you're getting at, but it going so junior isn't necessarily a good sign lol. I'm not sour, just calling it like I see it. Telling someone to bid something off is akin to telling someone that if they don't like the commute rules they should just move in base. I don't think it's asking much to just be included in the gains, or at the very least, keep the same pay ratio to the 320 that we had in the last contract.

myrkridia

That's like the WB folks who sniped at the QOL improvements that mostly affected NB saying they should solely focus on pay rates since that helps everyone. Somebody on the Delta Pilot Seniority list has to fly it, therefore there is value in improving that experience. That value is balanced against other priorities, but just because someone is senior enough to bid off it doesn't mean they shouldn't care about improving said category.

FangsF15

This AE is an anomaly in several respects. Smattering of small offerings except ATL 330 B. I don't think we can really count on any trend impacts from this AE.

WB B is going to go surprisingly junior, since there are a whopping 50 ATL 330 vacancies. 14,5XX would be a reasonable guess, but it could well go junior to that. But again, this will NOT establish a trend.

Absolutely no way NB A goes even more junior than it ever has with only 10 717 A vacancies. Because of this super-small sample size, I think it goes meaningfully senior to the 87% it has been consistently going. Any guess is a WAG, so I won't even try to put a number on it, but it will be relatively senior.

WB A is also tough to predict, only 20 vacancies scattered across 2 airframes and 4 bases, with no more than 5 in any single category. I suspect it will be in the 3XXX's, senior to what it has been going recently. Maybe one outlier award.

tcco94

I mean Bob said this bid will include most of the non new hire positions for the next couple months. If you want some movement bud now, or else you aren’t seeing much excitement until early to mid summer. Definitely not setting any trends, agree 100%.