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Old 02-05-2024, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by StayFrosty
As usual spot on. I think my growth is about to shallow out at a very inopportune time for me. Is what it is, I’m in a good place overall but expectation managment is important. February and March are set to be big hiring months still (rumor) so should squeeze out a couple more percentage points. Regardless, from where I came from, my QOL has never been better so I’ll take the “W”.
Your timing is still great. Pilots hired from 2000-2007 were 90% or lower for 7-14 years.
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Old 02-05-2024, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
FWIW, that math only works as long as we were hiring 200-ish a month, which was hiring 3 additional pilots for every 1 replacing a retiring pilot. Hiring is about to “slow down” to 100-ish a month, which is only hiring 1 additional pilot for every 1 pilot retiring.

Also, as hiring slows down, I suspect the system seniority to hold captain (and WB B, and…) will begin to creep senior.

I only say any of that for expectation management, not to discourage you from trying. Best of luck!



Impossible to predict, as it depends wholly on the bidding behavior of current ATL 7ER B’s bidding out, opening a spot to backfill. It would be surprising if there were enough backfills to fall to a recent hire’s seniority with no posted vacancies. But as others have said, absolutely keep your bid in until it hits. Good luck!
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Old 02-05-2024, 04:51 PM
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interesting note about the 220. Potentially No backfills so is there too little movement off the plane? Reduction in block hours? Will the fleet honeybadger become the 717dtw? 737nyc? 320nyc?
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interesting note about the 220. Potentially No backfills so is there too little movement off the plane? Reduction in block hours? Will the fleet honeybadger become the 717dtw? 737nyc? 320nyc?
they are parking a lot due to the engine issues.
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Old 02-05-2024, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
they are parking a lot due to the engine issues.
eep. Where do those block hours go. 320/73/71 I assume. Maybe it’s a nice time to be sr on the 220
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Old 02-05-2024, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tunes
they are parking a lot due to the engine issues.
Their fleet newsletters have a lot of info about the background, as well as numbers for anyone interested.

In addition, the 220 has a super low turnover. Very few people leave the airframe once them get on it.
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Old 02-05-2024, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
A few months of zero GS action may alter this.
I think two months is all it takes. After two months of a dry well, staring at PBS and deciding how to optimize B pay in the absence of green slips will probably make some folks make the jump. Those who held out to really make sure the spigot was dry could find themselves stuck at a significantly lower hourly rate than they could have had an AE bid or two behind them. I’m encouraging my buddies to make a jump now if they think they might any time in the next year.
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Old 02-05-2024, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Yep. Very NB B focused. Interesting to see the course reversal on the 7ER, as they yank open the aperture in LA again. Network can't seem to make up their mind... Makes me wonder why. Do they see NEO deliveries bogging down?

Also interesting to see half the NB A as WB A's posted (though the final award will see more NB A than WB A due to backfills). Those 42 WB A will generate some movement. For example, there will be a decent number of SEA 320 A's awarded even though zero are posted Same with WB B. And even though there are zero postings, there will be WB B awarded. (though they will be much more senior relative to the last couple AE's). So get your bids in. Great example of BWYWWWYB.

That said, there will clearly be much less movement overall than what we have seen since they transitioned to monthly bids for a while. Will be 3-4 more bids before we see things trend back upwards.
I think it was quite dramatic at how fast people thought the ER was going to shrink to a 2 domicile airplane. There’s way too much international left with 330’s delayed and 350’s slow. 321neo’s are delayed. Charter flying contracts still have at minimum another year of a full season left into mid 2025. Way too much ER flying in the system (I mean now in LAX we are flying SEA to HNL/OGG seasonally). This airline is in no way prepared for an ER downturn yet. And the FO to CA disparity is way too big to build effective rotations. My guess is LAX ER has a couple years left before it’s true SEA-like demise and closure is inbound. There’s just too much flying everywhere. But hey I knew that wasn’t going to last so I’m not that shocked. But yeah I think people jump the gun a bit prematurely with how fast they think ER will be on the chopping block. Only because everything is so delayed
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Originally Posted by TED74
I think two months is all it takes. After two months of a dry well, staring at PBS and deciding how to optimize B pay in the absence of green slips will probably make some folks make the jump. Those who held out to really make sure the spigot was dry could find themselves stuck at a significantly lower hourly rate than they could have had an AE bid or two behind them. I’m encouraging my buddies to make a jump now if they think they might any time in the next year.
What fleet are we talking about? On certain bases green slips have always been few and far between for WB's. On NB's for the work horse fleets green slips aren't going anywhere. Staffing is at an all time high and even in high reserve months like Feburary there is no evidence that they are drying up at all. As it is now they will go hot and heavy through fall. A senior FO on the 73 or Airbus will not have two dry months in the next year unless flying unexpectedly shrinks. We are 3 years into a continous GS waterfall for senior pilots. It isn't going to change drastically for the senior anytime soon. Only by choice would someone not get at least 1 a month.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
… We are 3 years into a continous GS waterfall for senior pilots. It isn't going to change drastically for the senior anytime soon. Only by choice would someone not get at least 1 a month.
I don’t disagree, but… 1-2 GS a month ain’t nearly enough to roll thunder. And for those lineholders snagging that 1 GS a month, they are still flying 15-16+ days minimum just to maybe break 100 credit hours. Yes, there will always be the outlier ninjas who manage to drop/WS a 120 hour month, but that’s not the norm for many FO’s. The super senior FO may stay put, but…

There will still be a very sizable number of mid seniority FO’s who have gotten used to big months and addicted to that pay level. Realizing a Capt simply making the ALV is equivalent to an FO ‘hustling’ to making 107-117ish credit hours might drive many of them to take an upgrade…. Even WB B roughly splits the difference with a super easy QOL. Time will tell.
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