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Old 10-14-2024, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
NEO has only fully taken over the non-stops to Aruba, DR, most of PR etc since about June-ish. The only flying left to the 73 is UVF, STI (turns) maybe some other cats and dogs, but for the most part its been a planned shift from the 73 to NEO for the high density tourist routes from NY/BOS to the islands. The process I think started around March/Feb. This is from the NY base. ATL, a bit of a different story. Shorter ranges to Caribbean than NYC. But as the NEO comes online in greater numbers they will supplant the vast majority of the Caribbean flying from the ATL 73 as well. Not as much as what happened with the NY trips but it will be significant.

NEO owns the non-stop carribean flying out of NY. It is gone from the 73 and will remain that way. NEO will own the majority of the transcons from BOS and NY and vice versa. Customers are very happy with the NEO. NPS is whehter or not a customer will recommend us to someone else. Surveys conducted on targeted emails to both our HVC and non-HVC trend very favorably for the NEO experience. There's a difference.
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Old 10-14-2024, 01:59 PM
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It’s Out…should’ve ordered a pizza from these guys…
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Old 10-14-2024, 02:10 PM
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Looks like they are only willing to TRAIN 15 Captains and 30 FOs for Boston, rest were transfers. 52 Captains and 59 FOs awarded.
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Old 10-14-2024, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Looks like they are only willing to TRAIN 15 Captains and 30 FOs for Boston, rest were transfers. 52 Captains and 59 FOs awarded.
Makes sense, allows for a very quick spool up to a critical size.
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Old 10-14-2024, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Looks like they are only willing to TRAIN 15 Captains and 30 FOs for Boston, rest were transfers. 52 Captains and 59 FOs awarded.
Two of the captains were bypasses, leaving 50 captain awards.

Will try to update the stats when I get home in a little bit.
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Old 10-14-2024, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
Looks like they are only willing to TRAIN 15 Captains and 30 FOs for Boston, rest were transfers. 52 Captains and 59 FOs awarded.
No backfills in a lot of categories so it didn’t really produce much residual movement.
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Old 10-14-2024, 02:48 PM
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Damn!! Just missed it....
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Old 10-14-2024, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Mock is out. As expected, BOS went very senior.

WB A 44xx (also similar to recent norms)
WB B 11,9xx(a little senior to recent norms)
NB A 14,7xx (much closer to post-Covid historical %)

BOS 330 A 24xx
BOS 330 B 11,3xx


Not surprisingly, BOS seems to have come primarily from NYC categories, especially the 330. Remember, unlike the final, the mock awards all posted positions - final results typically go senior to the Mock bid… (note: edited order from original post to match order I've been using, sorry...)
Sep AE
WB A 44xx, 25.7%
WB B 12,5xx, 72.6%
NB A 13,8xx, 79.5%

BOS 330 A 23xx 13.3%
BOS 330 B 10,4xx 60.3%


BOS 330 A came mostly from NYC, specifically the 330, with 41 actual awards of the 50 coming out of the NYC base. On the B side, 53 of the 59 awards (75 posted vacancies) came from NYC, with a little more variance in 'old' category. 34 of the 59 WB B's came from another NYC WB B (330/765). Clearly, they decided to meter the FO's as they predicted. For the 'legacy' catagories, the seniority was pretty much in line with where they have been over the last 14-15 months, with the dip from last month for NB A/WB B (mostly) gone. There were few backfills, especially on the B side. For example, I count 19 765B's bidding out, but only 13 765 B's backfilled (no vacancies posted)... They did backfill all the 765 A's, however. But of the 31 NYC 330 A's who bid out, zero were backfilled... FWIW, I would expect BOS 330 to drop in seniority over the next few 'buildup' bids to be more in line with the other WB's.


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Old 10-14-2024, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
So you’re saying BOS320 is around the corner….

Wasn't that the original, pre-covid reasoning for opening a BOS base in the first place (but which got scuttled by covid)? I'd be surprised if the 320 doesn't find a base there....
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Old 10-14-2024, 04:53 PM
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I don't like the way the graph came out. My excel-fu skills are ancient... Happy to have any suggestions for a better way to present the data. I was intially trying to tie the WB A's and WB B's into the same color family to help it make more sense at a glance (like Dark Blue and Light blue). I would really like to have a stacked bar grahp with the WB A and BOS 330A in the same "bar", but with the bottom part showing the cutoff from BOS 330 A. But I'm not smart enough to make that.
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