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Old 09-01-2024, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
JFK-BOG likely cut because Avianca has flooded the market with capacity and Delta has decided to move the 75/76 on that route to more profitable flying like the DTW/MSP to Caribbean routes that got announced a while ago. Tons of new routes out of BOS as well. I think we'll see JFK-BOG return later as the 321NEO fleet grows
I don't see NEO going to BOG. It will take a huge hit in cargo and pax capacity just to get out of there safely. Not to mention over temping the motors out of there.
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Old 09-01-2024, 12:54 PM
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I don't see NEO going to BOG. It will take a huge hit in cargo and pax capacity just to get out of there safely. Not to mention over temping the motors out of there.
CEO and NEOs don’t have the engine temp issues like the 319/320 in high alt.
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Old 09-01-2024, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Avianca does it with an A320neo and A320ceo. A320neo would be a decent performance aircraft if we can pick up some used ones..
maybe Delta will pick some up if/when spirit shrinks/unwinds. Or maybe some of their deferred 320neo orders.
and no need for spirit guys to blow me up. It’s a purely business “what-if.”
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Old 09-01-2024, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
maybe Delta will pick some up if/when spirit shrinks/unwinds. Or maybe some of their deferred 320neo orders.
and no need for spirit guys to blow me up. It’s a purely business “what-if.”
I mean that should get blown up by some Delta guys too. No need to throw out theories the day after guys there got kicked to the curb yesterday.
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Old 09-01-2024, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
I mean that should get blown up by some Delta guys too. No need to throw out theories the day after guys there got kicked to the curb yesterday.
Yeah, but... the PC way to say this is that Delta is always in the used aircraft market and has a knack for buying aircraft at bargain prices from motivated sellers and distressed carriers looking to unload assets, both abroad and closer to home.

And the winky emoji

It may have been insensitive but it wasn't meant to be harmful. I seem to recall the jubilance when a certain connection carrier announced it was discontinuing all operations. Stuff happens.
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Old 09-01-2024, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
maybe Delta will pick some up if/when spirit shrinks/unwinds. Or maybe some of their deferred 320neo orders.
and no need for spirit guys to blow me up. It’s a purely business “what-if.”
What a class act.
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Old 09-02-2024, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
CEO and NEOs don’t have the engine temp issues like the 319/320 in high alt.
All engines do at some point. Modern engines are electronically limited by the ECU to whatever thrust specified between the airframe manufacturer and the engine maker. On an Airbus this is thrust levers full forward calculated by the ECUs and on a Boeing its a calculation by the thrust management computer and set by actual thrust lever position. On a Boeing, when inside the envelope, there is power available beyond rated that increases until the mechanical stop. This could result in an EGT overtemp as you are out of the rated box and still adding fuel. That flat line thrust is valid to a certain pressure altitude and OAT, I believe its 6000 or 8000 PA and 25C, or something like that. Ever notice why you have to slightly lower the nose around 8000' on climbout? Outside of this box the engine is limited by EGT or rotational speeds. In BOG, you will be limited by EGT. Even on the 757, if you press EPR at these airports and actually ride the throttles forward you will notice they are on the mechanical stop and you are no where near rated thrust. At high altitudes found in cruise flight, the engine are more or less limited by rotational speed and keeping the blade tips sub-sonic to prevent shockwave formation/vibration and an upset/compressor stall.
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Old 09-02-2024, 09:14 AM
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All engines do at some point. Modern engines are electronically limited by the ECU to whatever thrust specified between the airframe manufacturer and the engine maker. On an Airbus this is thrust levers full forward calculated by the ECUs and on a Boeing its a calculation by the thrust management computer and set by actual thrust lever position. On a Boeing, when inside the envelope, there is power available beyond rated that increases until the mechanical stop. This could result in an EGT overtemp as you are out of the rated box and still adding fuel. That flat line thrust is valid to a certain pressure altitude and OAT, I believe its 6000 or 8000 PA and 25C, or something like that. Ever notice why you have to slightly lower the nose around 8000' on climbout? Outside of this box the engine is limited by EGT or rotational speeds. In BOG, you will be limited by EGT. Even on the 757, if you press EPR at these airports and actually ride the throttles forward you will notice they are on the mechanical stop and you are no where near rated thrust. At high altitudes found in cruise flight, the engine are more or less limited by rotational speed and keeping the blade tips sub-sonic to prevent shockwave formation/vibration and an upset/compressor stall.
Modern engines aren't limited by thrust. There is no way to measure thrust outside of a test cell. It's temperature at low altitude and rotor speed at high altitude.

Furthermore, most rotors absolutely have supersonic blade tips. This goes for fans and high pressure compressors/turbines. Typically Mach 1.3 to 1.7. That's why they make the buzz saw noise at high power settings...
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Old 09-02-2024, 02:45 PM
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I saw JFK-CDG lost its daytime flight. Is this a seasonal cut, or is Delta pulling back 767 routes as more get retired?
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
CEO and NEOs don’t have the engine temp issues like the 319/320 in high alt.
You flight tested one out of BOG?
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