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Old 08-31-2024, 01:59 PM
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Another route cancellation announced:

JFK-BOG
Going to the 330 or just gone completely?
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Old 08-31-2024, 02:05 PM
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Going to the 330 or just gone completely?
Gone completely.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-...bogota-routes/
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Old 08-31-2024, 03:20 PM
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"Both cuts take effect on Oct. 26, coinciding with the official start of the airline's winter season."

I love how seasonal cuts are predicters of doom and gloom. Stand by for exuberance when Delta announces an increase in service to SYD from once daily to twice daily.
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Old 08-31-2024, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
"Both cuts take effect on Oct. 26, coinciding with the official start of the airline's winter season."

I love how seasonal cuts are predicters of doom and gloom. Stand by for exuberance when Delta announces an increase in service to SYD from once daily to twice daily.
is Bogota high season winter or summer? It seems a lot of SA high season is winter, so cutting a SA route in the fall does not sound promising for it to come back.
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Old 09-01-2024, 05:28 AM
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JFK-BOG likely cut because Avianca has flooded the market with capacity and Delta has decided to move the 75/76 on that route to more profitable flying like the DTW/MSP to Caribbean routes that got announced a while ago. Tons of new routes out of BOS as well. I think we'll see JFK-BOG return later as the 321NEO fleet grows
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Old 09-01-2024, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
JFK-BOG likely cut because Avianca has flooded the market with capacity and Delta has decided to move the 75/76 on that route to more profitable flying like the DTW/MSP to Caribbean routes that got announced a while ago. Tons of new routes out of BOS as well. I think we'll see JFK-BOG return later as the 321NEO fleet grows
Having flown both Jets (ER and NEO) I'm curios as to how bad a performance hit the NEO is gonna take out of BOG.

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Old 09-01-2024, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Having flown both Jets (ER and NEO) I'm curios as to how bad a performance hit the NEO is gonna take out of BOG.
That’s a way to better match capacity to demand … 12PAX and no cargo. But the per seat unit costs are great on the NEO so the bean counters will be ‘saving’ money with the equipment swap.

In all seriousness I don’t think we see it on a NEO. Maybe a 330 if the cargo demand is there or comes back. I could see ATL-BOG as a NEO eventually when all the 75s get out to pasture.
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Old 09-01-2024, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by flightlessbirds
That’s a way to better match capacity to demand … 12PAX and no cargo. But the per seat unit costs are great on the NEO so the bean counters will be ‘saving’ money with the equipment swap.

In all seriousness I don’t think we see it on a NEO. Maybe a 330 if the cargo demand is there or comes back. I could see ATL-BOG as a NEO eventually when all the 75s get out to pasture.
Avianca does it with an A320neo and A320ceo. A320neo would be a decent performance aircraft if we can pick up some used ones. Also of Avianca's benefit is extremely low crew costs. Think we pulled JFK-SAL/PTY for similar reasons. Hard to compete with those guys, TACA, Copa, etc when their crew costs the same as one of our captains.
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Old 09-01-2024, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Having flown both Jets (ER and NEO) I'm curios as to how bad a performance hit the NEO is gonna take out of BOG.
That's a good point I forgot BOG is very high altitude. That probably what makes the route a struggle as network either has to go small or very big. Looks like Avianca uses mostly the 320NEO with a dash of 787s here and there. 220-300 or 330 likely will be the candidates if the route comes back
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Originally Posted by Trip7
That's a good point I forgot BOG is very high altitude. That probably what makes the route a struggle as network either has to go small or very big. Looks like Avianca uses mostly the 320NEO with a dash of 787s here and there. 220-300 or 330 likely will be the candidates if the route comes back
We fly a decent amount of cargo on jfk-bog, I would think the economics of the route are even worse without cargo space.. but I would be about the last person to know.
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