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Old 08-17-2024, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Heres when the Maxes show up and dilute the 73Na seniority. Maybe they come, *maybe* they don’t.

Does the Max fly the same 321N trips? Do they go west coast to Hawaii? Or does the company fly these on the medium haul domestic.
Funny how quiet the company has been on the future of our max order. I think we will see 787’s before we have max-10’s.
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Old 08-17-2024, 05:29 PM
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i’m guessing 320 will get a good chunk of the ER displacements that can’t hold WB.

1. The NEO rate is not a pay cut for them while the current 73N rate is. (MAX rate TBD, if we even get it). by 2030 I’m expecting all our 320s and most our 319s to be gone while we get more 321NEOs, that would drive the average rate for that fleet higher.

2. If they do want to go WB, the 320 will give them a short course to WB A when they can hold it. Plus allow them to learn AB on a domestic fleet if they have never flown it.
yeah that’s my plan. Won’t be able to hold WB A until at least 2033, so will go back to left seat of the little bus (flew it tor 4 years as an FO) for a few years. This is my plan so as to only have to do one more IQ the rest of my career.

what is the company going to do with the SNN, CPH, DSS, EDI, ARN type routes? Incrementally upgauge to 330/350 as they come online or abandon them entirely when the smaller 767-300s go away?
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Old 08-17-2024, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
Funny how quiet the company has been on the future of our max order. I think we will see 787’s before we have max-10’s.
I really don’t see us ending up with 787s at this point. We have a substantial amount of a330NEOs at this point and I don’t see us getting a different plane in that size range. The cost to stand up a new fleet with little commonality to any of our existing fleets just does not seem likely.

While I’m not sure we get the max 10s, I think we end up with something from the max family unless AB gives us a sweetheart deal on a large 220/320 family order.
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Old 08-17-2024, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
Funny how quiet the company has been on the future of our max order. I think we will see 787’s before we have max-10’s.
I think the company is quietly starting to reduce capacity. I fully expect displacements next year. Not kidding. I don’t expect any furloughs, but I expect the company to balance the categories. They won’t tell you that though until plan in motion. Want to bet hiring pauses for a few years?
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Old 08-17-2024, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
yeah that’s my plan. Won’t be able to hold WB A until at least 2033, so will go back to left seat of the little bus (flew it tor 4 years as an FO) for a few years. This is my plan so as to only have to do one more IQ the rest of my career.

what is the company going to do with the SNN, CPH, DSS, EDI, ARN type routes? Incrementally upgauge to 330/350 as they come online or abandon them entirely when the smaller 767-300s go away?
when I was flying NY ER I flew to most those places consistently full. I think most the routes will just get up gauged, maybe with a frequency reduction if necessary. E.g. instead of a daily EDI flight to each ATL, NYC, and BOS, we drop BOS or only fly it certain days of the week with all 330s. Weekly capacity EDI-US matches or is slightly higher, but with more efficient aircraft.
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Old 08-17-2024, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I think the company is quietly starting to reduce capacity. I fully expect displacements next year. Not kidding. I don’t expect any furloughs, but I expect the company to balance the categories. They won’t tell you that though until plan in motion. Want to bet hiring pauses for a few years?
I could see ER displacements..but I think the other categories they just won't backfill as people retire/move out. Maybe a hiring reduction, but if they're not careful they'll get way behind the staffing curve as usual.
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Old 08-17-2024, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I think the company is quietly starting to reduce capacity. I fully expect displacements next year. Not kidding. I don’t expect any furloughs, but I expect the company to balance the categories. They won’t tell you that though until plan in motion. Want to bet hiring pauses for a few years?
yeah I would take that bet.. last I heard is hiring 1,000/year for the next few years. DL wants to grow. Recession isn’t here and rates about to be lower
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yeah I would take that bet.. last I heard is hiring 1,000/year for the next few years. DL wants to grow. Recession isn’t here and rates about to be lower
Delta needs to keep up growing as other LCC, ULCC and AA are not making much money. Thats a way to keep our strong position.

Look at what happened to SAT, JetBlue pulled out of BOS and delta just starting service to SAT.
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Old 08-17-2024, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
Funny how quiet the company has been on the future of our max order. I think we will see 787’s before we have max-10’s.
Not a chance. And not sure why whenever someone mentions the MAX 10 they have to say “if” we get them. We will get them. They are obviously delayed, but they will most certainly receive certification and we will most certainly take delivery of them.
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yeah I would take that bet.. last I heard is hiring 1,000/year for the next few years. DL wants to grow. Recession isn’t here and rates about to be lower
Lol. Okay.
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