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Old 07-19-2024, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
Starlink is subject to the whims of Musk and Delta would be foolish to rely on it.
Highly unlikely this is an issue to them. It has to be cost. Delta is also foolish for operating their whole operation on Microsoft computers but they still do.
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Old 07-20-2024, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Khantahr
Starlink is subject to the whims of Musk and Delta would be foolish to rely on it.
My understanding is Starlink was tested against Hughes Net for the RJ/717 wifi update, and Hughes Net won. Read into that what you want.
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Old 07-20-2024, 10:08 AM
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Starlink doesn’t have the bandwidth to support it?
No. Starlink uses Low Earth Orbit Satellites vs Viasat's Geostationary Orbit satellites. Starlink currently has 6,200 satellites and needs at least 10,000 satellites for global coverage. Viasat needs 2 GEO satellites to cover the globe. Each Viasat satellite lasts 15 years. Starlink's satellites last 3-5 years before needing replacement; you can just replace one, but you will need several launches to replace the constellation, which makes it an extremely capital-intensive business. There are plenty of Billionaires blowing Billions in private equity and VC money on LEO systems with no proof of sustainable profit in sight. Viasat has been around for a long time and is cashflow positive. Delta and many other airlines did the math and went with a proven product.

Viasat did have a malfunction on the launch of the 1st of 3 next-gen Viasat-3 satellites, which were planned to provide global coverage of high-speed internet. The antenna malfunctioned, and the satellite only provides 10% of the planned capability. The satellite will be moved to provide coverage to the Middle East and booth bandwidth of the remaining two Viasat satellites to be launched in mid-2025. The antenna malfunction issue was investigated and mitigated for future launches
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They are the only game in town with the bandwidth to support an operation like Delta. Launching a satellite into high orbit requires years of planning and $800 m in development costs.
so who does every other international airline use and why do they not have this issue? United, American, Singapore, Lufthansa, BA, etc.?
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Old 07-20-2024, 02:59 PM
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so who does every other international airline use and why do they not have this issue? United, American, Singapore, Lufthansa, BA, etc.?
Panasonic, which is an outdated system that several of the above carriers are upgrading to Viasat.
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Old 07-20-2024, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No. Starlink uses Low Earth Orbit Satellites vs Viasat's Geostationary Orbit satellites. Starlink currently has 6,200 satellites and needs at least 10,000 satellites for global coverage. Viasat needs 2 GEO satellites to cover the globe. Each Viasat satellite lasts 15 years. Starlink's satellites last 3-5 years before needing replacement; you can just replace one, but you will need several launches to replace the constellation, which makes it an extremely capital-intensive business. There are plenty of Billionaires blowing Billions in private equity and VC money on LEO systems with no proof of sustainable profit in sight.
I think I saw that scene in Wall-E
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Old 07-20-2024, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
so who does every other international airline use and why do they not have this issue? United, American, Singapore, Lufthansa, BA, etc.?
Not sure what issue you are referring to. If it's international WiFi most airlines are using Panasonic who is slow like GoGo was
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Old 07-20-2024, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
I think I saw that scene in Wall-E
https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-05-2013/lMaZoU.gif
That's funny, right there. Nicely done.
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Old 07-20-2024, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Not sure what issue you are referring to. If it's international WiFi most airlines are using Panasonic who is slow like GoGo was
issue being 0 coverage.. can’t imagine paying lord knows how much for business class on a 16 hour flight with 0 WiFi to Asia / down under
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Old 07-23-2024, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 170Till5
issue being 0 coverage.. can’t imagine paying lord knows how much for business class on a 16 hour flight with 0 WiFi to Asia / down under
16 hours disconnected?! Sounds amazing!
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