Prepare Yourselves… 2024 AEs
07-17-2024, 08:20 AM
#1132
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Well, let's see. 91 awards:
- 37 Base transfers (1 bypass)
- 6 WBA-WBA
- 13 WBB-WBA (1 bypass)
- 35 NBA-WBA (7 bypasses)
07-17-2024, 09:55 AM
#1133
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Fall '25 for 2007 and 2008, of which there are over 1000 of. They will have 18 years on the property AND hired on after massive post 9-11 stagnation. If those pilots are sick of domestic, they will take WB-A and 2014 positions will be a few years past that. Most have figured out that 99% WB-A > 15% NB-A, by a wide margin. There are also 2000 and 2001 pilots ahead of 2007 and 2008. As a percentage of the list, WB-A is still fairly small. It wouldn't take much of a percentage of 2000-2008 wanting to transition to WB-A to lock up some seats for 15 to 20 years. There were more than a few 2007 and 2008's hired in their mid-twenties.
07-17-2024, 10:11 AM
#1134
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I think that’s going too far. The 763 is a flex fleet. If things simply stay flat (which still means 500 retirements annually), they will simply retire a 763 for every WB delivery. There would still be movement in that scenario. Lots of shades of grey there too.
Last edited by FangsF15; 07-17-2024 at 10:42 AM.
07-17-2024, 10:32 AM
#1135
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Fall '25 for 2007 and 2008, of which there are over 1000 of. They will have 18 years on the property AND hired on after massive post 9-11 stagnation. If those pilots are sick of domestic, they will take WB-A and 2014 positions will be a few years past that. Most have figured out that 99% WB-A > 15% NB-A, by a wide margin. There are also 2000 and 2001 pilots ahead of 2007 and 2008. As a percentage of the list, WB-A is still fairly small. It wouldn't take much of a percentage of 2000-2008 wanting to transition to WB-A to lock up some seats for 15 to 20 years. There were more than a few 2007 and 2008's hired in their mid-twenties.
07-17-2024, 10:50 AM
#1136
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Decent seniority NB-A gives a pilot much better pay and flexibility than plugish WB-A. NYC330A or NYC765A will likely hit 2014 hires next fall. Personally as a 2014 hire either of those plugish positions would be a significant pay and QOL hit. Heck there's senior WB As on FB complaining about only having a 60ish line with nothing in opentime. I imagine part of the reasoning for opening up BOS330 was to avoid NYC330A getting extremely junior similar to how unawarded NYC7ERA positions were just scrapped.
07-17-2024, 11:00 AM
#1137
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And folks forget that even a 1-1 763 to 350 or whatever replacement still brings the WB A bar lower.
07-17-2024, 11:57 AM
#1138
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Decent seniority NB-A gives a pilot much better pay and flexibility than plugish WB-A. NYC330A or NYC765A will likely hit 2014 hires next fall. Personally as a 2014 hire either of those plugish positions would be a significant pay and QOL hit. Heck there's senior WB As on FB complaining about only having a 60ish line with nothing in opentime. I imagine part of the reasoning for opening up BOS330 was to avoid NYC330A getting extremely junior similar to how unawarded NYC7ERA positions were just scrapped.
07-17-2024, 12:49 PM
#1139
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But carry on Hockey, you can’t hold the left seat on Mon-Wednesday doing Caribbean turns because 21 hires who are millennials and definitely woke took your upgrade somehow.
This career serves up some tough times but I feel like we are inventing problems sometimes.
07-17-2024, 03:02 PM
#1140
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“shrinking profits? We had record revenue, record passenger levels, record credit card revenue. Did you notice that the “profit shrinkage” was pretty close to pay raises for pilots and other employees? This is what we all hoped for, get paid more and the company is doing great still. But no let’s paint the picture of shrinking profits, woke culture destroying the company all to support a narrative. I know it’s an election year but what happened to intellectual honesty.
But carry on Hockey, you can’t hold the left seat on Mon-Wednesday doing Caribbean turns because 21 hires who are millennials and definitely woke took your upgrade somehow.
This career serves up some tough times but I feel like we are inventing problems sometimes.
But carry on Hockey, you can’t hold the left seat on Mon-Wednesday doing Caribbean turns because 21 hires who are millennials and definitely woke took your upgrade somehow.
This career serves up some tough times but I feel like we are inventing problems sometimes.
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