23.M.7 Updated
06-26-2023, 07:09 AM
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23.M.7 Updated
MEC posted a grievance settlement for abuse of 27.M.7. Emails sent out this morning.
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
06-26-2023, 07:13 AM
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MEC posted a grievance settlement for abuse of 27.M.7. Emails sent out this morning.
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
06-26-2023, 07:20 AM
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MEC posted a grievance settlement for abuse of 27.M.7. Emails sent out this morning.
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
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06-26-2023, 07:35 AM
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MEC posted a grievance settlement for abuse of 27.M.7. Emails sent out this morning.
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
Questions to those more savvy; is this aimed at the pilots abusing 23.M.7 to cherry pick greenies or more at the schedulers skipping the proper GS protocol?
I like the part about posting reports for all to see. Seems like good accountability and transparency if it works.
Thoughts from the group?
-Bo
Unlimited batch sizes won’t do much once everyone figures out you can just click to auto-accept but not auto-ack a GS, though. We’ll be right back to 10 minute steps through all the pilots who said they’d accept the trip but ultimately don’t respond or complete the acknowledgement. Six pilots an hour ain’t gonna cut it and there will be tons of 23M7 use for the foreseeable future. That’s my guess, anyway…
06-26-2023, 07:41 AM
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It’ll be good to force the company to pay the affected pilot, rather than waste our own time and resources to try to detect and correct failures to do so. It’s going to get even more expensive for the operation to survive on premium pay and will hopefully provide pressure to fly a schedule we’re actually manned for.
And part of the remedy is to totally do away with batch sizes? So the company's punishment is actually a gift to them? This has C44 authorship written all over it.
06-26-2023, 07:50 AM
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The company already agreed to pay the affected pilots when they signed the PWA. We've seen how that works in practice. Now they agree to pay the affected pilots, and run a coverage report showing they did. Pinky promise no take backs!
And part of the remedy is to totally do away with batch sizes? So the company's punishment is actually a gift to them? This has C44 authorship written all over it.
And part of the remedy is to totally do away with batch sizes? So the company's punishment is actually a gift to them? This has C44 authorship written all over it.
I don’t think there is a punishment here, so that’s a failure. But the path forward is better than status quo, and that’s coming from a guy who supported batch limits.
Delta loves their data…it’ll be interesting to look at the data of 23M7 payments before and after this new obligation.
06-26-2023, 07:57 AM
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The company already agreed to pay the affected pilots when they signed the PWA. We've seen how that works in practice. Now they agree to pay the affected pilots, and run a coverage report showing they did. Pinky promise no take backs!
And part of the remedy is to totally do away with batch sizes? So the company's punishment is actually a gift to them? This has C44 authorship written all over it.
And part of the remedy is to totally do away with batch sizes? So the company's punishment is actually a gift to them? This has C44 authorship written all over it.
06-26-2023, 08:20 AM
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It’ll be good to force the company to pay the affected pilot, rather than waste our own time and resources to try to detect and correct failures to do so. It’s going to get even more expensive for the operation to survive on premium pay and will hopefully provide pressure to fly a schedule we’re actually manned for.
Unlimited batch sizes won’t do much once everyone figures out you can just click to auto-accept but not auto-ack a GS, though. We’ll be right back to 10 minute steps through all the pilots who said they’d accept the trip but ultimately don’t respond or complete the acknowledgement. Six pilots an hour ain’t gonna cut it and there will be tons of 23M7 use for the foreseeable future. That’s my guess, anyway…
Unlimited batch sizes won’t do much once everyone figures out you can just click to auto-accept but not auto-ack a GS, though. We’ll be right back to 10 minute steps through all the pilots who said they’d accept the trip but ultimately don’t respond or complete the acknowledgement. Six pilots an hour ain’t gonna cut it and there will be tons of 23M7 use for the foreseeable future. That’s my guess, anyway…
06-26-2023, 08:24 AM
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