Originally Posted by Airfix

If you auto acknowledge a trip can you then not accept the trip once it is awarded to you?

Originally Posted by Jaww

Maybe to put it behind us. Like pardoning Nixon. Time to move on.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

Let's say we filed a grievance we knew we were going to lose. A grievance the company knew we were going to lose. How else do you stop the IA nonsense without giving up batch sizes, at least to an extent? And what if the company says "we'll stop doing it if you give up batch sizes." And when we say no, they say, "okay, we will just 23,M.7 even more. Thanks for playing.

*Devil's Advocate.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Lets say every scheduling committee chairman, every negotiator and MEC Chair (including ALPA's President) all testified to the contrary.

Who was it that wanted ARCOS to begin with?

Maybe it wasn't our job to fix something we never wanted.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Policy manual already states that any proposed grievance settlement must be presented to the MEC prior to signing for at least 96 hours, and may be rejected if a majority of the MEC so wills.

If the grievance settlement was signed, that means a majority of the MEC approved of it.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

This is why we insist that pilot representatives be PILOT representatives. Reps should work under the contract they negotiate.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

What did our negotiators and MEC "testify" to during the RJ/flow down grievance? How did that work out?

Originally Posted by ALPA Admin Manual Section 40

. Prior to commencement of any bargaining for any ALPA pilot group within a
mainline/express system, the applicable Negotiating Committee will meet with the
Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the mainline/express system to review
opening scope proposals and how they advance ALPA’s scope goals and guidelines. The
committees will work with each other to develop a consensus on proposals; if, however, they
are unable to do so, subsection 3a below will apply.
a. Following consultation as specified above, and prior to submission of the scope proposal
to the airline, the applicable Negotiating Committee will report to the Scope
Subcommittee that ALPA pilot groups have consulted with one another and have or have
not reached consensus that the planned scope proposal meets ALPA’s scope goals and
guidelines; if the latter, Negotiating Committees of other ALPA pilot groups in the
system can submit statements of agreement or disagreement to the Scope Subcommittee,
which can recommend changes following consultation with the Negotiating Committees
involved.
b. The applicable Negotiating Committee and ALPA pilot groups within the
mainline/express system will develop in conjunction with the opening proposal agreed
reporting benchmarks with respect to developments in on-going scope negotiations which
will require that the Negotiating Committee provide updates on the status of scope
negotiations to the Scope Subcommittee. In the absence of consensual agreements
concerning benchmarks, the Scope Subcommittee will determine reporting benchmarks.
4. During the period that final approval of a collective bargaining agreement is subject to
Presidential review under the Constitution and By-Laws, MEC designated representatives of
all ALPA pilot groups within the mainline/express system may submit comments prior to the
Presidential signature concerning conformity of negotiated scope provisions with
recommendations of the Scope Subcommittee and Association policy

Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg

Sounds like the MEC chair went rogue on this and agreed to the settlement without consultation from the MEC itself.

Policy manual allows this. Two questions:

1) Should the policy manual be changed so that the Chair can’t unilaterally sign grievance settlements?

2) Should the current Chair be recalled over this blatant misstep?

Originally Posted by iaflyer

Yes - remember it's a two step process.

Trip goes out - the system auto Acknowledges it for you. The next step is Auto Award - you don't have to select this option (which is on the left in the iCrew screen).

What will happen is that you won't get any call when it Auto Acknowledges it, but you will get the Award call. Just ignore it or decline in the app.

Problem is - CS sometimes jumps the gun and puts it on your schedule. I've had that happen a few times - eventually they call, or they figure it out. Once I called after two hours to tell them I wasn't doing the trip, because I didn't accept the Award. No biggie, they just removed the trip from my line.