Originally Posted by bugman61

There is a narrow scenario in which the new rules pay less. A single day reroute that does not trigger the 4 hour late reroute under the new language will generate one half pay no credit. If that reroute would have triggered L.4. Note pay under the old language, it would have been single pay no credit.

Over the whole pilot group the new language will pay far more often, but it is possible to have it pay less in a very specific scenario.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

I'm not sure the old rules would even pay under this scenario. To even qualify as a legal reroute under the old L4 note, the leg in question (or at least the first one) should have been unable to built into a rotation that a) puts the pilot into position and b) has at least a 14 hour report time. Any legs of the reroute that couldn't be so built were a legal reroute, but got zero reroute pay, any legs that could be built into a rotation, but were "attached" to the previous rerouted legs were still a legal reroute under L4, but got the reroute pay. It would come down as to when the first leg(s) became open. In a same day reroute scenario, lets say you departed, and they changed a middle turn and put you back on your rotation, none of the rerouted legs would pay any reroute pay because they couldn't build any of it into a rotation meeting the above parameters. Under the new rules, they would.

This scenario is really, really tough to do in a single day reroute, and considering you weren't getting any reroute pay for the first leg(s). Even if you could tease out a fringe case, it's probably a wash considering usually the first legs of a L4 Note reroute don't get reroute pay but under the new rules everything gets 50% pay for the first day.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

True, but as you said very rare. You’d have to get rerouted early in the day, and at least 14 hours later, fly a trip not on your rotation. That would be incredibly rare, maybe an early arrival, day layover then fly.

Originally Posted by bugman61

I have had L4 note reroute pay half a dozen times. Only one of them covered a second duty period, and all would have paid less under the new rules. All of them dealt with CS being aware of some of the legs more than 14 hours out, while I was assigned them within a few hours notice.

I’ve also hand countless times where the reroute didn’t trigger L4 note, and would have paid more under the new language.

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

I’ve been paid by the note probably 50 times. Almost all of them involved getting back on my rotation the next day, or never getting back on it. If they continue reroute at current rates, I’m sure this will be a lucrative provision for us, most of the time.

Originally Posted by bugman61

For sure. I’m happy with the change as it will pay more overall and is far more transparent. My initial response was only because there are occasional scenarios that pay lesss.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

So this is one of those things that sounds like a great idea, so I ran it down with my reps. Right now they are barely breaking even with scheduling committee folks. That means just keeping the same number of volunteers they have. It takes a lot of spool up a volunteer to do scheduling work, about six months to do even the basics. Their problem is no one wants to do it, because you can't do premium flying while on ALPA leave. Nobody wants to miss out on the rain of cash. Plus upgrades. Everyone wants to grab that quick upgrade or go to a larger ac, and that knocks you out of the box for several months.

Ok, I say, hire staff, not pilots. This is a bookeeping job. Well, not so fast. It's also a pretty complicated subject that has to be done right, otherwise you magnify the workload. The problem is that they've had open, funded staff positions at the office for months, and they can't find people to do the job. Apparently an ALPA staff job is a union job, and pays good pay and benefits, but no one want's to do it.

This isn't a money issue, and the SC already gets the largest budget out of all the committees. If you have a magic wand that make pilots volunteer or people sign up for a job, then I urge you to reach out to your reps so they can waive it around.

The IT thing is way more complicated, but the new contract is progressing with the automation piece which we didn't have before.

Originally Posted by bugman61

For sure. I’m happy with the change as it will pay more overall and is far more transparent. My initial response was only because there are occasional scenarios that pay lesss.

Originally Posted by higney85

I will say that coming here with 10 years of ALPA experience, multiple committee chair seats, plenty of scheduling and PBS experience, yada yada….. absolutely zero interest. My wife has absolutely applauded me leaving work only at work and zero emails, calls, texts to deal with at home. If the positions need to be filled, they must be paid. You run out or hours each day if volunteering. It’s different when it’s a paid work day vs “it helps the pilot group” and you completely blow a day off to volunteer, then work a full schedule.

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

Thanks for setting me straight. Was unaware they were additive. I'm pleasantly surprised, albeit due to my own ignorance!

Originally Posted by Tanker1497

Did the pay show up? If so, when? If so, is it on the time card? Thx