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07-13-2023, 09:16 AM
#221
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Im fairly certain you have that backwards.
Nomenclature: There is an "offer" window first that you can auto accept (regardless of when the trip reports), then an "acknowledge" window next that you can auto ack (if the trip reports >12 hrs away). Confusingly, in iCrew the PCS template shows the "auto ack on duty Y/N" first, then the "auto accept on duty Y/N" second - which is backwards from how ARCOS sends out trip awards.
Nomenclature: There is an "offer" window first that you can auto accept (regardless of when the trip reports), then an "acknowledge" window next that you can auto ack (if the trip reports >12 hrs away). Confusingly, in iCrew the PCS template shows the "auto ack on duty Y/N" first, then the "auto accept on duty Y/N" second - which is backwards from how ARCOS sends out trip awards.
Accept just means if you are #1 you will be awarded the trip but that trip is not on your schedule until you acknowledge the award.
Like everyone else here, the verbiage is confusing and should be changed to make it more common sense but that’s not the way we do things here. And of course iCrew would have it backwards…
07-26-2023, 07:34 PM
#223
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
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Just one data point but scheduling seems to be getting more bold with their new 23M7 powers. Doing a red eye on a greenslip with a show just after midnight and scheduling straight up cold calls me during my pre red eye nap on my day off and leaves the following voice mail around 5pm:
”Hey looks like you raised your hand for a green slip later on, how would you like an assignment instead for an atlanta flight that leaves in 3 hours? Call us back if interested.”
First time ever at any airline that I’ve been cold called by scheduling to play “let’s make a deal.”
”Hey looks like you raised your hand for a green slip later on, how would you like an assignment instead for an atlanta flight that leaves in 3 hours? Call us back if interested.”
First time ever at any airline that I’ve been cold called by scheduling to play “let’s make a deal.”
07-27-2023, 05:41 AM
#224
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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Just one data point but scheduling seems to be getting more bold with their new 23M7 powers. Doing a red eye on a greenslip with a show just after midnight and scheduling straight up cold calls me during my pre red eye nap on my day off and leaves the following voice mail around 5pm:
”Hey looks like you raised your hand for a green slip later on, how would you like an assignment instead for an atlanta flight that leaves in 3 hours? Call us back if interested.”
First time ever at any airline that I’ve been cold called by scheduling to play “let’s make a deal.”
”Hey looks like you raised your hand for a green slip later on, how would you like an assignment instead for an atlanta flight that leaves in 3 hours? Call us back if interested.”
First time ever at any airline that I’ve been cold called by scheduling to play “let’s make a deal.”
It would appear this is actually a Green Slip with Conflict; 4x pay (and at least single pay for the pilot who should have gotten it) and ACE the crap out of it!!!! Then consider calling in for the FAR117 violation that this actually is & ASAP that.
Especially after the big concession we made to avoid this kind of thing.
If you don't mind telling us, what fleet and seat was this on?
07-27-2023, 06:13 AM
#225
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,372
Just one data point but scheduling seems to be getting more bold with their new 23M7 powers. Doing a red eye on a greenslip with a show just after midnight and scheduling straight up cold calls me during my pre red eye nap on my day off and leaves the following voice mail around 5pm:
”Hey looks like you raised your hand for a green slip later on, how would you like an assignment instead for an atlanta flight that leaves in 3 hours? Call us back if interested.”
First time ever at any airline that I’ve been cold called by scheduling to play “let’s make a deal.”
”Hey looks like you raised your hand for a green slip later on, how would you like an assignment instead for an atlanta flight that leaves in 3 hours? Call us back if interested.”
First time ever at any airline that I’ve been cold called by scheduling to play “let’s make a deal.”
07-27-2023, 06:23 AM
#226
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Serious question from a noob: ever since the the agreement with the company I went from exclusively getting dozens of IA calls to no longer getting them and only getting GS calls consistently around 2 hours put with the occasional next day early morning call. Yes the batch sizes look bigger but I seem to always get what I ask for and I'm not senior. So how was this a bad thing for us? To my inexperienced eye, things appear more organized now.
Is the effect of the large batch sizes now the same as it was before when it was a bad thing and you guys negotiated smaller batches?
Is the effect of the large batch sizes now the same as it was before when it was a bad thing and you guys negotiated smaller batches?
07-27-2023, 06:57 AM
#227
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Serious question from a noob: ever since the the agreement with the company I went from exclusively getting dozens of IA calls to no longer getting them and only getting GS calls consistently around 2 hours put with the occasional next day early morning call. Yes the batch sizes look bigger but I seem to always get what I ask for and I'm not senior. So how was this a bad thing for us? To my inexperienced eye, things appear more organized now.
Is the effect of the large batch sizes now the same as it was before when it was a bad thing and you guys negotiated smaller batches?
Is the effect of the large batch sizes now the same as it was before when it was a bad thing and you guys negotiated smaller batches?
I get this may not be your viewpoint, but to me, batch sizes were a bad deal because I didn't really get much for the trade. In fact, it's had more of a negative impact than anything positive. I have to spend more time in our archaic iCrew to layer preferences, but it's still hard to account for how they'll break stuff up. I have less control of gs selection should multiple GS be sent out in the middle of night, at least not without continuously waking up my gf. Based on a personal experience and posts in this thread, they're clearly still abusing 23m7, so it hasn't fixed that. This agreement helped the company way more than it help us. Although, my 999 batch callout the other day was funny, so I guess one positive is it gave me a laugh.
I'm really not that upset by it, but I see it as a huge lost opportunity by us. What we had before worked better from my viewpoint. If we'd have simply gotten a better system to input slip prefernces and a better ability to turn on and off preferences, that would have been a win-win.
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07-27-2023, 07:02 AM
#228
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
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I get this may not be your viewpoint, but to me, batch sizes were a bad deal because I didn't really get much for the trade. In fact, it's had more of a negative impact than anything positive. I have to spend more time in our archaic iCrew to layer preferences, but it's still hard to account for how they'll break stuff up. I have less control of gs selection should multiple GS be sent out in the middle of night, at least not without continuously waking up my gf. Based on a personal experience and posts in this thread, they're clearly still abusing 23m7, so it hasn't fixed that. This agreement helped the company way more than it help us. Although, my 999 batch callout the other day was funny, so I guess one positive is it gave me a laugh.
I'm really not that upset by it, but I see it as a huge lost opportunity by us. What we had before worked better from my viewpoint. If we'd have simply gotten a better system to input slip prefernces and a better ability to turn on and off preferences, that would have been a win-win.
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I'm really not that upset by it, but I see it as a huge lost opportunity by us. What we had before worked better from my viewpoint. If we'd have simply gotten a better system to input slip prefernces and a better ability to turn on and off preferences, that would have been a win-win.
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07-27-2023, 07:14 AM
#229
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,518
We got limits when 23M7 could be used.
We got a mandatory iCrew report for when it is used and who was the pilot.
This greasing the skids should also eliminate side deals and seniority abrogation.
Keep in mind, the "affected" pilot likely wasn't even that harmed pilot. It was the most senior pilot with a slip in regardless of whether there was an intent to fly. So the pilot who WOULD have gotten double pay gets nothing.
07-27-2023, 07:24 AM
#230
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,838
The other side of the coin is, when we negotiated the batch sizes as a part of one of the Covid LOA's, what else could we have gotten had we not fought for batch sizes? Permanent PS commuting? Other improvements? Who knows, but whatever "price" we paid to secure batch sizes in the LOA was lost as well.
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