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07-11-2023, 07:41 AM
#201
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,997
The beauty of the IA is not needing to meet the GS trigger to receive premium pay. They are more costly to the company overall, especially when combined with a 23M7 payment. We’ve provided significant savings to the company for nothing in return.
As someone who is senior-ish in category, I would argue that the elimination of batch sizes hasn’t necessarily put seniority back in control of trip awards either. Previously, as a senior pilot, you could often wait hours to respond to a GS call before enough junior pilots had been called for the trip to be awarded. Now, any hesitation whatsoever in responding to the ARCOS call within 12 minutes will almost guarantee that the trip goes junior.
As someone who is senior-ish in category, I would argue that the elimination of batch sizes hasn’t necessarily put seniority back in control of trip awards either. Previously, as a senior pilot, you could often wait hours to respond to a GS call before enough junior pilots had been called for the trip to be awarded. Now, any hesitation whatsoever in responding to the ARCOS call within 12 minutes will almost guarantee that the trip goes junior.
07-11-2023, 08:11 AM
#202
Bus driver
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 838
The beauty of the IA is not needing to meet the GS trigger to receive premium pay. They are more costly to the company overall, especially when combined with a 23M7 payment. We’ve provided significant savings to the company for nothing in return.
As someone who is senior-ish in category, I would argue that the elimination of batch sizes hasn’t necessarily put seniority back in control of trip awards either. Previously, as a senior pilot, you could often wait hours to respond to a GS call before enough junior pilots had been called for the trip to be awarded. Now, any hesitation whatsoever in responding to the ARCOS call within 12 minutes will almost guarantee that the trip goes junior.
As someone who is senior-ish in category, I would argue that the elimination of batch sizes hasn’t necessarily put seniority back in control of trip awards either. Previously, as a senior pilot, you could often wait hours to respond to a GS call before enough junior pilots had been called for the trip to be awarded. Now, any hesitation whatsoever in responding to the ARCOS call within 12 minutes will almost guarantee that the trip goes junior.
07-11-2023, 09:00 AM
#203
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,903
You do realize that IA is inverse assignment, right? It's not a "no trigger green slip", it is an assignment. That means they could have a gate agent wait for you as you walk off the jet and assign you to fly the next day. The leveling mechanism that IAs have are not to protect pilot's double pay, but to make sure that the pain of being assigned to fly on a day off is shared. You really want to make sure you keep IA in the proper context.
Whether it's called inverse assignment, drafting, junior manning, or whatever, many a pilot group has spent some serious negotiating capital trying to be rid of it. Ask the SWA guys what they think about it.
Whether it's called inverse assignment, drafting, junior manning, or whatever, many a pilot group has spent some serious negotiating capital trying to be rid of it. Ask the SWA guys what they think about it.
07-11-2023, 10:03 AM
#204
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,837
You do realize that IA is inverse assignment, right? It's not a "no trigger green slip", it is an assignment. That means they could have a gate agent wait for you as you walk off the jet and assign you to fly the next day. The leveling mechanism that IAs have are not to protect pilot's double pay, but to make sure that the pain of being assigned to fly on a day off is shared. You really want to make sure you keep IA in the proper context.
Whether it's called inverse assignment, drafting, junior manning, or whatever, many a pilot group has spent some serious negotiating capital trying to be rid of it. Ask the SWA guys what they think about it.
Whether it's called inverse assignment, drafting, junior manning, or whatever, many a pilot group has spent some serious negotiating capital trying to be rid of it. Ask the SWA guys what they think about it.
In my opinion I think we need to get IA's moved to ARCOS. So anyone with a GS request in will get the GS call and it will be awarded in seniority order. Then when they go to IA's the call list will be all eligible pilots regardless of slip status, and it would be properly awarded in reverse seniority order plus it would be leveled properly where someone couldn't rack up multiple IA's in a month without everyone else getting a fair chance.
07-11-2023, 10:12 AM
#205
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: 7ERA
Posts: 1,231
Ah the days of going out the back of the 88 to avoid an assignment!
07-11-2023, 10:28 AM
#207
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,016
They can’t assign add-on flying anymore. It would have to be for next day. These days, the pilot would just call in fatigued or sick if he/she didn’t want to fly. It wouldn’t be as effective as it was back then. The culture has changed.
07-11-2023, 10:30 AM
#208
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: 737B
Posts: 377
“I’m sorry. I have child care issues tomorrow. Best of luck to you”.
07-11-2023, 10:33 AM
#209
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,903
If you answer the phone and it's scheduling and they IA you, yes, there is an obligation to fly the trip. You may or may not attempt to reason your way out of it, but the obligation is there.
07-11-2023, 12:41 PM
#210
Leaves Biscoff crumbs
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Position: Blue Juice Taste Tester
Posts: 1,363
Edit: I just re-read your comment and noticed you said Scheduling calling. Have people been getting calls from actual schedulers for IA's? I have only ever gotten robo-calls.
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