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06-26-2023, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Puddytatt

My point was that they might not "publish" all the trips they used 23m7 on like they agreed to. Time will tell.

that should be pretty easy for the scheduling committee to track

06-26-2023, 09:18 AM

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I was hoping this new contract would have more punitive measures for the company exercising 23.M.7. I wrote my reps that the NC ought to push for awarding PB days in addition to paying the affected pilot(s). It appears "no change" was what won the day.

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06-26-2023, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

that should be pretty easy for the scheduling committee to track

so we gave up batch sizes to fix a management problem. What was exchanged for That give, the company promises to do what they’re already obligated to do in paying the skipped senior pilot?

I see they have unlimited 23m7 to within 8 hours now, but it seems like we gave up something to get what we’ve already got… just with a promise of tracking and compliance. Not sure this was an overall good deal.

06-26-2023, 09:20 AM

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All this is going to do is increase the number of pilots who accept a proffer, then refuse or ignore the acknowledgement. The company thinks they're being all clever and solving their problem while sticking it to us, but in reality, it's just going to make things worse when they think trips are covered and then people refuse it at the ack phase and then it still has to roll through small batches to cover the trip like it currently does.

So next month, the union will probably give concessions that if you accept the proffer it's yours and you have to do it, to solve that problem for them.

06-26-2023, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Puddytatt

My point was that they might not "publish" all the trips they used 23m7 on like they agreed to. Time will tell.

I don't believe the company negotiated this without the intent to comply. And they said they're going to automate the process next summer... so then they WILL be complying (unless they built automation that doesn't do what it's supposed to and we should be able to check that...)

Batch sizes needed to change, they were too restrictive and caused at least some of the 23.M.7 heartache but did they need to go to unlimited? Probably not.

Also, did we get enough restriction in the use of 23.M.7 to justify the huge give on batch sizes? Not sure.

I'll be interested to see if this causes guys to pull their blanket green slips and we go back to the days of only putting in a green slip when you wanted to fly vs having one in always.