Valar Morghulis

I didn't like this settlement, either, but then this MEC has never met a grievance it didn't like. If it was an easy win or no downside to losing, then why would this group cave on it? There have been much sketchier situations in the past where settling would have been the better option, but they charged ahead instead. If there was no downside, why not just waive the flag and get another $200 settlement? Or if you lose, just chalk the loss up to the mean arbitrator, wipe their hands of it while saying they're "aggressively protecting the contract". If they were looking for an easy way out, there were other ways to do it with less blowback.

I didn't see anyone mention negotiator notes. Those sink grievances all the time. If anyone has their old contracts around, 23 M has been around since C2K. Once the grievance on this got filed, both sides probably started looking through 20 years of notes, and something that wasn't great probably turned up. The company would just say "the notes said it was ok, and we just haven't needed to do this until now". In arbitration, company would take an extreme position on one side and ALPA the other, and the difference would have been split, which would be a far worse outcome. I don't like the result, but it was probably because of something written down before most people here were hired.

DWC CAP10 USAF

Just the opposite.

The MEC published MEC Alert email 22-08 back in May 2022 and said they contacted Scheduling and Negotiators all the back to C2K, including the negotiator notes, and said it was not supposed to be used the way the company was using it.

Gspeed

Of course that was their view, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the language and/or notes supported their position.

Ar Pilot

Correct. Apparently none of them were able to furnish documentation supporting their positions so the grievance wasn’t going to go anywhere.

Valar Morghulis

That's correct, however check the date. May, 2022, or more than a year ago.

Penty can happen between then and now. More than a year for both sides to dig something up, and plenty over at the co who know where to look.

Big picture...we have an MEC that loves grievances. No apparent downside to riding this one out to show you're fighting the fight, and all things being equal, roll the dice.

The only facts that make sense is something popped up in the meantime.

dragon

Perhaps there was some sort of side deal cut that bound the Association?

interceptorpilo

There are other possible explanations -
1. SC tired of all the extra work wanted to just be done with it.
2. The senior pilots were ****ed and had enough pull to get the MEC to “restore” seniority.

StoneQOLdCrazy

this is where my money is at. I have spoken to reps on both sides of the settlement, and both have cited the reduced workload as a factor in the scheduling chairman’s endorsement of this abomination. Wtf? Is that why we’re here? To make that guy’s job easier?

talk about the tail wagging the dog.

dragon

Didn't we used to have full time paid staff on the SC?

Why is making SK's job easier something the Delta Pilots as a whole need? Couldn't he just resign and make his job even easier?

ancman

The joke would be on them in that case. The correct play as a senior pilot was to clear your entire schedule every month, then have a rolling blanket WS and OOBWS in place to collect 23M7 payments.