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07-01-2023, 03:41 PM
#141
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You should go read the apology again. They apologized for the “volume” of usage, and never said they were in the wrong to use 23.M.7. They would state their behavior after the first weekend was consistent with what they said in the letter. Furthermore, the “past practice” you reference is not necessarily a past practice in the legal sense. And even if it was, it applied in a scenario without massive open time and most pilots submitting blanket green slips.
I think we had a decent case. But the language is garbage. It’s not the slam dunk you say it is. That being said, I do wish we pressed forward with the process. The outcome of a loss in arbitration is unlikely to be significantly worse than what we settled for.
I think we had a decent case. But the language is garbage. It’s not the slam dunk you say it is. That being said, I do wish we pressed forward with the process. The outcome of a loss in arbitration is unlikely to be significantly worse than what we settled for.
07-01-2023, 03:54 PM
#142
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The fact that the company pushed for so much and got it is an indicator of what each side thought of the strength of their case in front of an arbitrator.
07-01-2023, 03:56 PM
#143
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You could approach with anything. I’m certain 8 hours and a report in exchange for no batch size wasn’t our first offer. If the parties agreed, you could settle a grievance in exchange for PS commuting.
The fact that the company pushed for so much and got it is an indicator of what each side thought of the strength of their case in front of an arbitrator.
The fact that the company pushed for so much and got it is an indicator of what each side thought of the strength of their case in front of an arbitrator.
07-01-2023, 04:12 PM
#144
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It’s also not unusual for an arbitrator to “award” a settlement that the parties agreed on but couldn’t publicly agree on for political purposes.
07-02-2023, 06:37 AM
#145
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I also agree with the poster who said the 81 VC has shown himself to be low-bandwidth at best and clownish at worst.
07-02-2023, 07:05 AM
#146
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We got them to greatly reduce 23M7 usage and, thus, people are now getting GS that their seniority can hold. And scheduling will be much less likely to give side deals. And now reserve pilots and pilots on PB days will be able to get premium pay instead of getting skipped like they've been.
07-02-2023, 07:16 AM
#147
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We got them to greatly reduce 23M7 usage and, thus, people are now getting GS that their seniority can hold. And scheduling will be much less likely to give side deals. And now reserve pilots and pilots on PB days will be able to get premium pay instead of getting skipped like they've been.
Sounds like an abusive relationship.
07-02-2023, 07:56 AM
#148
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Unpopular opinion: I’m starting to think those most upset about this change likely fall into 1 of 2 groups:
1. Those cutting side deals with scheduling or volunteering for reroutes
2. Those upset they won’t get paid as the “affected pilot” due to 23M7
This is based off of conversations I’ve had with some fellow pilots in the Van.
Fire away.
Fire away.
1. Those cutting side deals with scheduling or volunteering for reroutes
2. Those upset they won’t get paid as the “affected pilot” due to 23M7
This is based off of conversations I’ve had with some fellow pilots in the Van.
Fire away.
Fire away.
07-02-2023, 07:57 AM
#149
Can't abide NAI
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Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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We got them to greatly reduce 23M7 usage and, thus, people are now getting GS that their seniority can hold. And scheduling will be much less likely to give side deals. And now reserve pilots and pilots on PB days will be able to get premium pay instead of getting skipped like they've been.
Eight Hours is a significant expansion from Two.
Four Hours used to trigger RR pay.
How did we ever get to eight?
07-02-2023, 08:28 AM
#150
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Posts: 179
Unpopular opinion: I’m starting to think those most upset about this change likely fall into 1 of 2 groups:
1. Those cutting side deals with scheduling or volunteering for reroutes
2. Those upset they won’t get paid as the “affected pilot” due to 23M7
This is based off of conversations I’ve had with some fellow pilots in the Van.
Fire away.
Fire away.
1. Those cutting side deals with scheduling or volunteering for reroutes
2. Those upset they won’t get paid as the “affected pilot” due to 23M7
This is based off of conversations I’ve had with some fellow pilots in the Van.
Fire away.
Fire away.
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