United CJO vs Delta CJO
06-26-2023, 07:59 AM
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Wasn't DFW one of our biggest hubs before it closed?
06-26-2023, 08:02 AM
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One other thing that I'm curious as to people's thoughts on is, if Delta and Endeavor do merge in the future, how would Endeavor pilot's seniority play into Delta's list? Would they simply be stapled to the bottom of the DL seniority list and have no real affect on the DL pilots, or would it mix in and potentially hurt pilot's seniority that have already been at Delta for years?
06-26-2023, 08:22 AM
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I have been fortunate enough to receive CJO’s from United and Delta. I am trying to make the very difficult decision between the two. I am going to be a commuter to either. Is there a general consensus on which is the brighter looking airline for the future? Pros to Delta seem to be reserve rules, commutability, pay, new contract, 18hr LCR, however I’ve heard cons are that Delta has already hired a lot more than UAL over the past few years and seniority movement would be a lot slower than UAL. Pros to UAL seem to be the amount of wide body international flying they have, rapid growth and seniority movement, quick upgrade, and more retirements and hiring to come. Can anyone touch on these things? I have 40 years left of flying but seniority movement seems to be a lot better at United?
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06-26-2023, 09:16 AM
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I have read both of those threads in their entirety. Just looking for any further advice or opinions - not an easy decision and no right answer I understand.
06-26-2023, 09:39 AM
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and DL was in bankruptcy, so yeah pretty deep trouble.
so was CVG.
i think it was sailing (May have been another poster) listed all the bases DL had when they were hired in the mid 80s, and all but 1 (ATL of course) has since closed. and they have not actually opened a base that is still around since then (all other current bases acquired via a merger)
But this isn’t 20 or 40 years ago, the dynamic at play are definitely different when 4 airlines control 80% of the domestic market share.
who knows what the future holds, but I would be surprised if SLC closes unless delta is in deep trouble.
on the flip side and to make your point, we all saw how delta panicked during Covid and was planning on running a 7000 pilot “boutique airline”. So who knows they may in fact close every base but ATL over the next 40 years like they did over the last 40
so was CVG.
i think it was sailing (May have been another poster) listed all the bases DL had when they were hired in the mid 80s, and all but 1 (ATL of course) has since closed. and they have not actually opened a base that is still around since then (all other current bases acquired via a merger)
But this isn’t 20 or 40 years ago, the dynamic at play are definitely different when 4 airlines control 80% of the domestic market share.
who knows what the future holds, but I would be surprised if SLC closes unless delta is in deep trouble.
on the flip side and to make your point, we all saw how delta panicked during Covid and was planning on running a 7000 pilot “boutique airline”. So who knows they may in fact close every base but ATL over the next 40 years like they did over the last 40
06-26-2023, 09:49 AM
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Another thing United mentioned was their plan/ambitious goal to grow the pilot base from ~16,500 to 28,000 pilots by the end of 2030. It seems as if they are going to continue hiring as much as possible for the foreseeable future. Does anyone know if that is Delta's plan as well, or what their hiring needs/plans are going forward?
06-26-2023, 10:31 AM
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I have been fortunate enough to receive CJO’s from United and Delta. I am trying to make the very difficult decision between the two. I am going to be a commuter to either. Is there a general consensus on which is the brighter looking airline for the future? Pros to Delta seem to be reserve rules, commutability, pay, new contract, 18hr LCR, however I’ve heard cons are that Delta has already hired a lot more than UAL over the past few years and seniority movement would be a lot slower than UAL. Pros to UAL seem to be the amount of wide body international flying they have, rapid growth and seniority movement, quick upgrade, and more retirements and hiring to come. Can anyone touch on these things? I have 40 years left of flying but seniority movement seems to be a lot better at United?
06-26-2023, 11:37 AM
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As a DL guy I’ll be blunt - here is good. It’s very good. UA might be better though. You’ve hit the high points that people care about - wide body flying and seniority. Both would be better at United. Go there. Congrats on the amazing CJOs at both!
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