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Old 07-07-2023, 09:46 AM
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Saw that too. If you don’t want to support Blackrock, this checks the box.
Yeah, no doubt. That is a big hangup for many.
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Old 07-07-2023, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
The MBCBP wasn't part of of the contract. It was part of LOA 20-04. C2019 simply made room to accommodate the previous agreement.
I think Gunfighter's point was that if you can decide how to vote on a much more major/consequential decision like the PWA in 30 days, you can gather and evaluate the MBCBP in the same amount of time. But I get your point.
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Old 07-07-2023, 10:24 AM
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Yeah, no doubt. That is a big hangup for many.
Didn't realize we had so many activist investors in this group!
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Old 07-07-2023, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Knowing me, that I would probably invest 75% of the excess, on a good day, and would likely buy a dirtbike, go to a MXGP race in Europe, etc with the rest, I've opted in. The advantage of the way I invest (just park it in an index fund, or a lifecycle fund) over the MBCP just isn't that much and would be nullified by how I would LIKELY spend the money.
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I’m leaning toward opting in for just this reason. Every year when the DC excess starts coming in I have good intentions about investing it….but doesn’t always happen. The forced savings will be good for me even if there are low returns.
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Old 07-07-2023, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by First Break
They've been talking about this plan for several years. And the opt out was first communicated back in May. The 2 month window opened June 1st. Would a 3rd month of indicision make you feel better? A 4th?

I too have a problem with indecision. Wait maybe it’s more of a procrastination problem. On second thought I’m not really sure - I will figure it out tomorrow.


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Old 07-07-2023, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by First Break
They've been talking about this plan for several years. And the opt out was first communicated back in May. The 2 month window opened June 1st. Would a 3rd month of indicision make you feel better? A 4th?
Talking about this plan for several years…

But for several years, they’ve been saying you can opt out and opt in every contract cycle. This one time irrevocable opt in or opt out FOR LIFE, was announced in may.

So no…I want the original deal, not something they’ve been changing constantly. It’s just a 24yr gamble for me, because we can take it out at 59 1/2.

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Old 07-07-2023, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
That's going to be true no matter what date is picked.



The MBCBP wasn't part of of the contract. It was part of LOA 20-04. C2019 simply made room to accommodate the previous agreement.
The biggest hangup is limiting the in service withdrawal to Jan 1st. If it were 59 1/2 and any withdrawal day like a typical plan it would be much better. Jan 1st is the worst day for financial decisions that require tax planning. A December withdrawal would allow 11 months of hindsight.

​​​​​​The two step workaround looks like making the election for a Traditional IRA rollover and then taking a taxable withdrawal later in the year if desired from the IRA.

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Thanks for the correction about the contract.
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Talking about this plan for several years…

But for several years, they’ve been saying you can opt out and opt in every contract cycle. This one time irrevocable opt in or opt out FOR LIFE, was announced in may.

So no…I want the original deal, not something they’ve been changing constantly. It’s just a 24yr gamble for me, because we can take it out at 59 1/2.
I get that, but the IRS is the one who dictated the lifetime decision.
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Old 07-07-2023, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Talking about this plan for several years…

But for several years, they’ve been saying you can opt out and opt in every contract cycle. This one time irrevocable opt in or opt out FOR LIFE, was announced in may.

So no…I want the original deal, not something they’ve been changing constantly. It’s just a 24yr gamble for me, because we can take it out at 59 1/2.
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Your option for lowest likelihood of sub optimal outcomes is opt out and put spill cash in VOO or equivalent. Opting in over 24 years is a LONG time to lose control of your money. If you are earning over $330,000 from Delta with 24 years til the in service withdrawal option, there are many options for the money.

You may want to save up that spill cash for a PLOA and take a round the world sailing trip while you are still young enough to do it.

*My judgement is skewed by a decade of taxable investments that have outpaced the after tax (and even pretax) returns of every one of my retirement savings accounts.

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Other than buying a Miata with spill cash, there are no bad decisions on the MBCBP.
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Old 07-07-2023, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
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Other than buying a Miata with spill cash, there are no bad decisions on the MBCBP.
Joke’s on you, that’s what profit sharing is for
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