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Old 05-02-2023, 05:04 AM
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I guess they weren’t kidding, I have less than 1,000 turbine and got the assessment invite last night.
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Old 05-02-2023, 05:08 AM
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I guess they weren’t kidding, I have less than 1,000 turbine and got the assessment invite last night.
How much less?
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Old 05-02-2023, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TNDeltaFlyboy
Maybe I'm getting my flow programs mixed up, but doesn't Endeavor require 24 months as Captain to flow? If so, not sure making the 1000 preferred helps those who wait on the flow.
If you were hired at 9E prior to June 3 2021, all you need to do is be a CA (so, just finish OE) and you're eligible to flow. If you were hired after June 3 2021, you need 24 months of CA service to be eligible.
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Old 05-02-2023, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This doesn’t surprise me. I have heard from a reliable source that we cannot fill our May classes. We are out of pilot recruits. Not kidding.
The shortage has finally reached the majors.
I'm not sure this is true, but if it is, maybe they should keep the experience requirements where they are, but get rid of the stupid "assessment" with brain games and a Kobayashi Maru psych test at the end, and the antiquated shrink interview that sends great candidates who have multiple CJOs to a PARB purgatory because one person "had concerns" which probably have nothing to do with being a good airline pilot.

We are turning good pilots away for specious reasons, then scraping the bottom of the barrel for even more inexperienced pilots who may manage to squeak through the hoops just because of luck and paying for the right prep. It doesn't make any sense.
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Old 05-02-2023, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by marcal
Buddy in a recent class swears there was a guy with no turbine, just piston time. I wasn’t sure but with Frontier and maybe spirit as well hiring 1500 hr MEIs, and the fact that we’ve basically absorbed the majority of regional feed, it makes sense that we’ll hire those destined for the regionals over here now.

I’d say that’s a success in the grand scheme of things with respect to bringing RJ flying in house and getting rid of the regional model.
I know for a fact that Frontier and Spirit are hiring 1500 (or less with a degree) CFIs now. Sun Country was doing it before COVID. Those are just first hand cases of people that I know.
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Old 05-02-2023, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
I'm not sure this is true, but if it is, maybe they should keep the experience requirements where they are, but get rid of the stupid "assessment" with brain games and a Kobayashi Maru psych test at the end, and the antiquated shrink interview that sends great candidates who have multiple CJOs to a PARB purgatory because one person "had concerns" which probably have nothing to do with being a good airline pilot.

We are turning good pilots away for specious reasons, then scraping the bottom of the barrel for even more inexperienced pilots who may manage to squeak through the hoops just because of luck and paying for the right prep. It doesn't make any sense.
So just hire everyone with the mind and can fog a mirror? Why not just hire no interview then?
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Old 05-02-2023, 05:57 AM
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So just hire everyone with the mind and can fog a mirror? Why not just hire no interview then?
Nobody needs to hear your hyperbole and sarcasm. You know exactly what I meant. Always an attack with you.

The "cog testing" and personality test on the assessment add nothing. It's just a hoop to jump through. The psychologist interview has a long history of falsely flagging people. The 90% PARB pass rate would appear to be a testament to that. We are in a world where most of the good candidates have multiple CJOs and if Delta slaps them with an unknown "maybe", they are just going to go to United. Maybe you'll say "good, then they didn't REALLY want to work here anyhow", but my response would be glad you're not a recruiter.

What would make sense if they are truly strapped for good candidates is, as I said before, keep the minimum requirements high and eliminate the unnecessary hurdles. They could divert those resources to making the actual interview more thorough. The 550+ question MMPI test should be more than sufficient if they need a psych portion.
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Old 05-02-2023, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
The "cog testing" and personality test on the assessment add nothing. It's just a hoop to jump through. The psychologist interview has a long history of falsely flagging people. The 90% PARB pass rate would appear to be a testament to that. We are in a world where most of the good candidates have multiple CJOs and if Delta slaps them with an unknown "maybe", they are just going to go to United. Maybe you'll say "good, then they didn't REALLY want to work here anyhow", but my response would be glad you're not a recruiter.

What would make sense if they are truly strapped for good candidates is, as I said before, keep the minimum requirements high and eliminate the unnecessary hurdles. They could divert those resources to making the actual interview more thorough. The 550+ question MMPI test should be more than sufficient if they need a psych portion.
I'm genuinely curious how you say this with such confidence. What is your expertise in such matters? I have seen no data either way.
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Old 05-02-2023, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
Nobody needs to hear your hyperbole and sarcasm. You know exactly what I meant. Always an attack with you.
I stopped reading right here, this is rich coming from you. Considering you are one of the kings of hyperbole, sarcasm, and trying to put down anyone that disagrees with you. And always an attack with ME? Again, real rich.
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Old 05-02-2023, 07:50 AM
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Seems Ed recently commented that the Big D had no issues finding qualified candidates. I guess it’s true if we keep lowering the bar. Gonna be a fun summer.
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