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Old 05-08-2023, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The question was about staying senior as a WB FO.

The 'vast majority' in any category can't hold every weekend or holiday off.
For me, living in base I was able to hold 3 day or an occasional 4 day euro trip. Day one sign in
evening time was able to get her on the bus or drive to school. Take care of home issues etc, only
gone for basically a day, home on the 3rd day by dinner.

Yes worked a lot of weekends but all the kids stuff during the week was around for, usually the only Dad on field trips, games, school day time stuff,
Awesome quality of life as a Dad with young ones.

When I bid 320A it was like working for a different company, Narrow body A is great job but you are gone.

Absolutely zero comparison between the two …. Night and Day.

Just my experience and my opinion.
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Old 05-08-2023, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The question was about staying senior as a WB FO.

The 'vast majority' in any category can't hold every weekend or holiday off.

The post I quoted was in response to M31s post about the disparity in seniority in both seats. As an example, I'd be ~60% in my old WB B seat vs ~25% in my current NB A. Also, a quick look in DTW330B, the highest time 3-day for May is a 19+10, most are closer to 16-17 hours. I looked in a few other bases and it was similar. dbrownies point above is valid and I'm certainly happy to see more 3-days in my old category, if I knew that would continue, I'd consider bidding back. Of course the day the bid packet for June was published with lots of 3-days, there were people on FB upset about it, so who knows if they'll stay.
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Old 05-08-2023, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The question was about staying senior as a WB FO.

The 'vast majority' in any category can't hold every weekend or holiday off.
By the time a relatively new hire can hold senior WB B their kids will be all grown up, out of college and have jobs of their own.
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Old 05-08-2023, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
By the time a relatively new hire can hold senior WB B their kids will be all grown up, out of college and have jobs of their own.
Agree. I’m sure someone will jump on here and talk about orders and movement, but to be “senior” on WBB takes decades. Even with a fluid definition of senior. Especially with people hired today, with the thousands that have been hired ahead of them in the last few years.
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Old 05-08-2023, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Agree. I’m sure someone will jump on here and talk about orders and movement, but to be “senior” on WBB takes decades. Even with a fluid definition of senior. Especially with people hired today, with the thousands that have been hired ahead of them in the last few years.
If anyone is curious about being a junior ER A in NYC: I bid early upgrade, 1:20 drive from base. I consider my personal QOL very food. My goals were load up college fund while my kids were still toddlers while trying to be home as much as possible, not caring whether I worked weekends (just wanted max days at home). In my situation I don’t care about sitting short call because I count that as a day I spend with my family. I average, “putting the uniform on and driving away to work” about 11 days a month. This includes unused LC/SC days, and deadhead deviation days. About half of those days are leave my house in the late afternoon or come back home in the mid morning.

The only way I personally count my QOL is how many hours in a month I’m spending quality time with my kids, which I gathered is probably three times as much as my salary equivalent doctors/lawyers/accountant peers. So I’m very happy with my current arrangement.

the flying is a hybrid of international, transcons and beating up the ATL-Florida pattern.

a little off topic but wanted to add a data point for guys who want the “WBish” experience while also upgrading and avoiding the 320/737 grind.
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Old 05-08-2023, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
a little off topic but wanted to add a data point for guys who want the “WBish” experience while also upgrading and avoiding the 320/737 grind.
At Delta the 320 is nothing close to a “grind”. It’s about as easy as it gets without twiddling your thumbs. You’ll have plenty of time for that when you can eventually hold WB.
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Old 05-08-2023, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
At Delta the 320 is nothing close to a “grind”. It’s about as easy as it gets without twiddling your thumbs. You’ll have plenty of time for that when you can eventually hold WB.
oh ok. I got the sense that the 320 especially was frequently high block days and an inordinate amount of fatigue calls/shorter layovers. But that might be seniority/base dependent.
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
By the time a relatively new hire can hold senior WB B their kids will be all grown up, out of college and have jobs of their own.
This is exactly what I was trying to say..
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Old 05-08-2023, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
oh ok. I got the sense that the 320 especially was frequently high block days and an inordinate amount of fatigue calls/shorter layovers. But that might be seniority/base dependent.
Not enough fatigue calls for the company to change their rotation parameters.

We do fly a lot, I got 78hrs of pay with 18 days off. Of course I’m getting holiday pay.
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Old 05-08-2023, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
At Delta the 320 is nothing close to a “grind”. It’s about as easy as it gets without twiddling your thumbs. You’ll have plenty of time for that when you can eventually hold WB.
Considering that well over 1/2 the fatigue calls are on the 320, I call BS, and a lot of it.
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