Delta or United
04-30-2023, 03:10 AM
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Covid showed that SWA was willing to murder the sacred cow and sent our warn notices to 1221 pilots, making it just like everyone else. SWA management has made sure the place is nothing special.
04-30-2023, 06:06 PM
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I’ll preface by saying that I don’t know how many pilots SWA has hired in the last year, but I think what was being hinted at is that the number 1 most reliable protection against furlough is pilots on the list junior to you. So OP is losing that by starting over, but since I don’t know the hiring stats at luv, may or may not be able to replace that quickly somewhere else.
04-30-2023, 06:29 PM
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it’s definitely the right word. The politicians and generals simply stopped speaking the term ‘brack’ while moving full speed ahead with the plan. Why create inconvenient problems with public statements of their intentions? Seems to be happening in a lot of places these days but that’s not important right now.
As for the suggestion to quit and rejoin the military later I’d like to suggest that it is TERRIBLE advice. Especially if you wish to rejoin or transfer later on to a flying unit. Consider staying current and qualified in the military until you’re ready to leave- and then do that without looking back.
also if furlough protections are priority number 1 I’d suggest the OP re-examine why he’s leaving swa in the first place- it may be an emotional decision based on current, short-term circumstances.
living in base is definitely a smart play considering your family situation.
As for the suggestion to quit and rejoin the military later I’d like to suggest that it is TERRIBLE advice. Especially if you wish to rejoin or transfer later on to a flying unit. Consider staying current and qualified in the military until you’re ready to leave- and then do that without looking back.
also if furlough protections are priority number 1 I’d suggest the OP re-examine why he’s leaving swa in the first place- it may be an emotional decision based on current, short-term circumstances.
living in base is definitely a smart play considering your family situation.
Just wondering out of the legacies was one airline better furlough protected than another…
04-30-2023, 07:05 PM
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SWA is not the right fit long term. I understand they haven’t furloughed, but we almost did during covid (1221). As a 28 yr old I don’t wanna spend 37 more years in a 737 with limited career growth and a 10yr upgrade. Much rather go to a legacy with more options and better pay. Even if it does mean furlough risk…I still have the AFRC to fall back on and could go full time with my unit if furlough happens. I think it definitely makes sense to keep my Air Force Reserve flying gig until I’m senior enough or hit 20yrs. I’ll hit 20yrs at 45 and still could go full time at airlines for another 20yrs.
Just wondering out of the legacies was one airline better furlough protected than another…
Just wondering out of the legacies was one airline better furlough protected than another…
as for legacy furlough protections: I agree w iceberg above and suggest the best protection will be at the company that hires the most pilots behind you the fastest.
05-01-2023, 12:17 PM
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general consensus sounds like the presumed winner (proportionately) on this point over the next few years will be AAL, right?
05-01-2023, 02:49 PM
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gotcha. We’ll then question #1 is probably to define where home is. #2: could I move? 3. Which employer (afrc or airline) will take priority? 4. Which conditions change #1-3: age of kids, support network location, spouse job, etc….. you’ve probably answered all of these.
as for legacy furlough protections: I agree w iceberg above and suggest the best protection will be at the company that hires the most pilots behind you the fastest.
as for legacy furlough protections: I agree w iceberg above and suggest the best protection will be at the company that hires the most pilots behind you the fastest.
this sounds like probably something I’m overthinking, but I hear seniority progression at United is slightly better than Delta. Since I have 37/36yrs left do you think it would matter or is it negligible given how much time is left?
05-01-2023, 02:58 PM
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This is true based on projected retirements and maintaining the seniority list as is. If either airline shrinks or grows more than the other then the numbers are worthless.
05-01-2023, 03:37 PM
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Pay and Work rules will probably be more important in your quality of life than seniority progression over the years.
05-01-2023, 06:03 PM
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since you’re in the DAL threads you’re getting a mostly pro-DAL bias, even if we don’t recognize it. The truth is that either decision will probably be fine and the primary factor that determines success will be the personal attitude the OP chooses to hold after making the decision. Most posters here had a similar choice and seem to be happy with it (even when we squawk at one another on computer screens).
05-02-2023, 12:14 AM
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there is no clean kill in any of this, other than go where you get hired. Its a best guess.
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