Average days per month workerd at DL?
03-21-2023, 06:07 AM
#61
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Okay, but a day of reserve is actually a work day. You might not have been USED, but you were on call.
Unless someone dropped all of their reserve days, it’s disingenuous for them to say they only worked 60 total days in an entire year.
A day off is a day in which you have zero obligation to the company, not a reserve day you just didn’t get used for.
Unless someone dropped all of their reserve days, it’s disingenuous for them to say they only worked 60 total days in an entire year.
A day off is a day in which you have zero obligation to the company, not a reserve day you just didn’t get used for.
No-one in their right mind can ever convince me mowing my lawn on SC is a day of work. Or running errands, or...
The only way I might agree with the above is for someone with a 2-leg commute, and who is regularly maxing out SC's.
03-21-2023, 06:15 AM
#62
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Mmmmmmmm, no. Not even for (single leg) commuting to reserve, but especially for locals on reserve. And doubly especially once 18 hour LC starts.
No-one in their right mind can ever convince me mowing my lawn on SC is a day of work. Or running errands, or...
The only way I might agree with the above is for someone with a 2-leg commute, and who is regularly maxing out SC's.
No-one in their right mind can ever convince me mowing my lawn on SC is a day of work. Or running errands, or...
The only way I might agree with the above is for someone with a 2-leg commute, and who is regularly maxing out SC's.
If there is an obligation to the company it’s not a day off. Not a hard day of work, for sure, but not a day off.
03-21-2023, 06:15 AM
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I got called for a GS with conflict (though it’s not coded that way until 1/2024) right before I became full for the month. So it over-credited me by a bit more and I kept all my days off.
03-21-2023, 06:53 AM
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I know you (tennis guru) know that....just some additional info for those that don't and all stumble across these posts.
03-21-2023, 07:39 AM
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Well the OP worded his topic question as "average days per month worked", which is slightly ambiguous. Obviously everyone in the industry knows that reserves "work" roughtly 15-18 days per month of on-call time. But it is important to distinguish between a reserve in a critically short category who is flying every day vs one in a overstaffed category where they only actually go to "work" a handful of days per month. Generally when people ask how may days a person worked in the last month/year, they are talking about actually suiting up and going to the airport.
03-21-2023, 07:46 AM
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But really, this is a silly semantical exercise. Call it a non-binary/Grey area If it makes you feel better. I really don’t care if someone says they “only worked 60 days”, or “had 300+ days off/without work”. Saying “only worked 60 days” is probably more technically accurate though.
But again, you can’t convince me that WB B’s, or NY 220 pilots barely ever “working” and having to go to sims for bounces every 90 days nevertheless WORK 17 days a month. Nope. That’s stupid and disingenuous.
03-21-2023, 07:47 AM
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Well the OP worded his topic question as "average days per month worked", which is slightly ambiguous. Obviously everyone in the industry knows that reserves "work" roughtly 15-18 days per month of on-call time. But it is important to distinguish between a reserve in a critically short category who is flying every day vs one in a overstaffed category where they only actually go to "work" a handful of days per month. Generally when people ask how may days a person worked in the last month/year, they are talking about actually suiting up and going to the airport.
I agree with having a differentiation. But what is being shared are purely anecdotes that do not represent the average new hire experience as requested by the OP.
Is it possible to be on an overstaffed category where you'll find that you are only leaving your house a handful of times each month? Absolutely. Is that what a new hire should expect? Absolutely not.
03-21-2023, 08:14 AM
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Well the OP worded his topic question as "average days per month worked", which is slightly ambiguous. Obviously everyone in the industry knows that reserves "work" roughtly 15-18 days per month of on-call time. But it is important to distinguish between a reserve in a critically short category who is flying every day vs one in a overstaffed category where they only actually go to "work" a handful of days per month. Generally when people ask how may days a person worked in the last month/year, they are talking about actually suiting up and going to the airport.
03-21-2023, 08:18 AM
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No, they weren’t on an off day, they were fired for being out of position when “used” on SC. Big difference.
But really, this is a silly semantical exercise. Call it a non-binary/Grey area If it makes you feel better. I really don’t care if someone says they “only worked 60 days”, or “had 300+ days off/without work”. Saying “only worked 60 days” is probably more technically accurate though.
But again, you can’t convince me that WB B’s, or NY 220 pilots barely ever “working” and having to go to sims for bounces every 90 days nevertheless WORK 17 days a month. Nope. That’s stupid and disingenuous.
But really, this is a silly semantical exercise. Call it a non-binary/Grey area If it makes you feel better. I really don’t care if someone says they “only worked 60 days”, or “had 300+ days off/without work”. Saying “only worked 60 days” is probably more technically accurate though.
But again, you can’t convince me that WB B’s, or NY 220 pilots barely ever “working” and having to go to sims for bounces every 90 days nevertheless WORK 17 days a month. Nope. That’s stupid and disingenuous.
Flew 17 days, no. Had 13 of 30 days off? Yes, which left 17 work days.
03-21-2023, 09:56 AM
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Reportedly they were 1,000+ miles away from their base while on short call. When called for a trip on short call they would call in sick. Reportedly some had done this for years. Were they “working” while at home while not being in base (or near it) while on short call but not able to make it there for a trip? Their “active work” was hitting the sim four times a year. Their “inactive work” was being home 355 days a year.
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