Average days per month workerd at DL?
#21
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This is probably going to change up a little. Some of the soft pay for narrow bodies will kick in by August, and that will increase the pay for the same work performed. At DAL, you can drop to zero, either with reserve coverage permitting (or not, we do have some "silver bullets") or via the pilot to pilot swap board, so some folks may be inclined to work a bit less for the same money.
Minimum regular line guarantee is 65 hours, but with the new contract, you can have a line built below that and still get 65 hours.
Minimum regular line guarantee is 65 hours, but with the new contract, you can have a line built below that and still get 65 hours.
#22
I sincerely doubt this is in anyway an "average" line for most Delta pilots to have 20+ days off a month with 94 hours of block pay.
(Good on you if you're doing this, however. Tip of the hat if you wear one, knowing wink and a nod if you don't).
The initial posted question is somewhat unanswerable; Delta is a big airline with equipment/bases/seat positions varying wildly. An "average" (i.e. "the mean") is probably less useful than "the median".
Even that would be highly misleading.
#23
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For those rolling thunder, perhaps.
I sincerely doubt this is in anyway an "average" line for most Delta pilots to have 20+ days off a month with 94 hours of block pay.
(good on you if you're doing this, however).
The initial posted question is somewhat unanswerable; Delta is a big airline with equipment/bases/seat positions varying wildly. An "average" (i.e. "the mean") is probably less useful than "the median".
Even that would be highly misleading.
I sincerely doubt this is in anyway an "average" line for most Delta pilots to have 20+ days off a month with 94 hours of block pay.
(good on you if you're doing this, however).
The initial posted question is somewhat unanswerable; Delta is a big airline with equipment/bases/seat positions varying wildly. An "average" (i.e. "the mean") is probably less useful than "the median".
Even that would be highly misleading.
I might be on the bottom end of the bell curve, but I’m the guy who flies his line and goes home; I work 15-16 days per month for whatever credit PBS spits out. Doubt I’ve had more than 85 credit hours in a month, ever. I bid reserve 75% of the time, and get used nearly every single day as an ATL320B.
Never greenslip because it’s too much work.
#24
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For those rolling thunder, perhaps.
I sincerely doubt this is in anyway an "average" line for most Delta pilots to have 20+ days off a month with 94 hours of block pay.
(Good on you if you're doing this, however. Tip of the hat if you wear one, knowing wink and a nod if you don't).
The initial posted question is somewhat unanswerable; Delta is a big airline with equipment/bases/seat positions varying wildly. An "average" (i.e. "the mean") is probably less useful than "the median".
Even that would be highly misleading.
I sincerely doubt this is in anyway an "average" line for most Delta pilots to have 20+ days off a month with 94 hours of block pay.
(Good on you if you're doing this, however. Tip of the hat if you wear one, knowing wink and a nod if you don't).
The initial posted question is somewhat unanswerable; Delta is a big airline with equipment/bases/seat positions varying wildly. An "average" (i.e. "the mean") is probably less useful than "the median".
Even that would be highly misleading.
94 hours is what DALPA people used to be paid per month (higher now I think) which was based on what the average Delta pilot made per month.
My last two years (NOT counting no fly covid months) I worked 9.63 days a month and made 129.3 hours of pay. I could have flown more obviously. No reserve. My career average was working 12 days a month.
#25
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Green slips on reserve aren’t working harder. Just working different days for twice the pay.
In my mind there are 3 reasons to sit reserve. You’re too junior to hold a line, you plan/hope to roll thunder, or manning is such that you won’t be used as much as a line holder and will get some “free” extra time off. Sitting reserve on purpose and getting used every day sounds like the 7th level of hell to me. But that’s the beauty of this place. A little something for everyone.
In my mind there are 3 reasons to sit reserve. You’re too junior to hold a line, you plan/hope to roll thunder, or manning is such that you won’t be used as much as a line holder and will get some “free” extra time off. Sitting reserve on purpose and getting used every day sounds like the 7th level of hell to me. But that’s the beauty of this place. A little something for everyone.
#26
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~10 days was put out by Delta to show how much less we work than other airlines. Yes, I know they’re biased. And yes some people fly 20 days a month but others fly 0 and hit the sim every 90 days to get landings. We were short staffed lately so I acknowledge it’s probably higher now. With the new contract people will work less.
94 hours is what DALPA people used to be paid per month (higher now I think) which was based on what the average Delta pilot made per month.
My last two years (NOT counting no fly covid months) I worked 9.63 days a month and made 129.3 hours of pay. I could have flown more obviously. No reserve. My career average was working 12 days a month.
94 hours is what DALPA people used to be paid per month (higher now I think) which was based on what the average Delta pilot made per month.
My last two years (NOT counting no fly covid months) I worked 9.63 days a month and made 129.3 hours of pay. I could have flown more obviously. No reserve. My career average was working 12 days a month.
#27
Green slips on reserve aren’t working harder. Just working different days for twice the pay.
In my mind there are 3 reasons to sit reserve. You’re too junior to hold a line, you plan/hope to roll thunder, or manning is such that you won’t be used as much as a line holder and will get some “free” extra time off. Sitting reserve on purpose and getting used every day sounds like the 7th level of hell to me. But that’s the beauty of this place. A little something for everyone.
In my mind there are 3 reasons to sit reserve. You’re too junior to hold a line, you plan/hope to roll thunder, or manning is such that you won’t be used as much as a line holder and will get some “free” extra time off. Sitting reserve on purpose and getting used every day sounds like the 7th level of hell to me. But that’s the beauty of this place. A little something for everyone.
#28
Average:
9 Delta pilots walk into a dive bar (happy hour, 'cuz they're cheap). They talk salary and Miatas. Using a calculator, they add their annual take home pay, divide it by 9, and the "average" pilot makes $400k/year.
Bill Gates walks into the same dive bar and proudly announces he has a pilot's license and was just hired by Delta. Everyone adds their annual take home pay and divides them on the same calculator (which strains the "0" button this time), divides it by 10, and the "average" pilot now makes $11 billion/year.
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"Average" is a useless number in this discussion. (I'm assuming that's what the original poster wants to know? "How much will I make and how little do I have to work for it?")
I can see why an illiterate journo or a poor-mouthing exec would trumpet it.
Reserve payback days suffer the same problem: what percentage of the pilots can even theoretically bid reserve, much less benefit from GS/payback days? 20%? 30%?
9 Delta pilots walk into a dive bar (happy hour, 'cuz they're cheap). They talk salary and Miatas. Using a calculator, they add their annual take home pay, divide it by 9, and the "average" pilot makes $400k/year.
Bill Gates walks into the same dive bar and proudly announces he has a pilot's license and was just hired by Delta. Everyone adds their annual take home pay and divides them on the same calculator (which strains the "0" button this time), divides it by 10, and the "average" pilot now makes $11 billion/year.
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"Average" is a useless number in this discussion. (I'm assuming that's what the original poster wants to know? "How much will I make and how little do I have to work for it?")
I can see why an illiterate journo or a poor-mouthing exec would trumpet it.
Reserve payback days suffer the same problem: what percentage of the pilots can even theoretically bid reserve, much less benefit from GS/payback days? 20%? 30%?
#29
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Average:
9 Delta pilots walk into a dive bar (happy hour, 'cuz they're cheap). They talk salary and Miatas. Using a calculator, they add their annual take home pay, divide it by 9, and the "average" pilot makes $400k/year.
Bill Gates walks into the same dive bar and proudly announces he has a pilot's license and was just hired by Delta. Everyone adds their annual take home pay and divides them on the same calculator (which strains the "0" button this time), divides it by 10, and the "average" pilot now makes $11 billion/year.
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"Average" is a useless number in this discussion. (I'm assuming that's what the original poster wants to know? "How much will I make and how little do I have to work for it?")
Reserve payback days suffer the same problem: what percentage of the pilots can even theoretically bid reserve, much less benefit from GS/payback days? 20%? 30%?
9 Delta pilots walk into a dive bar (happy hour, 'cuz they're cheap). They talk salary and Miatas. Using a calculator, they add their annual take home pay, divide it by 9, and the "average" pilot makes $400k/year.
Bill Gates walks into the same dive bar and proudly announces he has a pilot's license and was just hired by Delta. Everyone adds their annual take home pay and divides them on the same calculator (which strains the "0" button this time), divides it by 10, and the "average" pilot now makes $11 billion/year.
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"Average" is a useless number in this discussion. (I'm assuming that's what the original poster wants to know? "How much will I make and how little do I have to work for it?")
Reserve payback days suffer the same problem: what percentage of the pilots can even theoretically bid reserve, much less benefit from GS/payback days? 20%? 30%?
You are correct. There are too many people sharing numbers that are exceptions.
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