Mission plus
07-31-2023, 03:26 AM
#501
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,594
I gotta figure out what I did but last trip when I used my day/night ipad system quick setting toggle Mission+ switched between day and night.
07-31-2023, 03:31 AM
#502
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,994
07-31-2023, 03:55 AM
#503
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 48
Mission+ is usable and will improve. Delta has taken pilot input and put it on the road map. However, Mission+ should have rolled out with every feature of html flight plan and more. Here is a quick list of issues:
- · At best, the data is overly segmented. Often it is badly categorized.
- · A second alternate is not shown in fuel or flight info. You must use Inflight -> Final Alternates or access with All Alternates on dashboard.
- · No highlighting.
- · Poor schedule awareness. No On-Time Reference. Upper left times that always show are planned, not scheduled, or revised ETA. Entering takeoff time will not show early or late.
- · Poor break calculator. Numerous cases of strange amounts such as 23 hour breaks. No 4-man even option without trickery for breaks.
- · No day/night (should not need a change in settings to mitigate)
- · No split screen
- · Flight Log too spread out.
- · Lacks full rotation of crew.
07-31-2023, 04:06 AM
#504
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
Were you on the design team by chance?
07-31-2023, 04:11 AM
#505
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
Mission+ is usable and will improve. Delta has taken pilot input and put it on the road map. However, Mission+ should have rolled out with every feature of html flight plan and more. Here is a quick list of issues:
- · At best, the data is overly segmented. Often it is badly categorized.
- · A second alternate is not shown in fuel or flight info. You must use Inflight -> Final Alternates or access with All Alternates on dashboard.
- · No highlighting.
- · Poor schedule awareness. No On-Time Reference. Upper left times that always show are planned, not scheduled, or revised ETA. Entering takeoff time will not show early or late.
- · Poor break calculator. Numerous cases of strange amounts such as 23 hour breaks. No 4-man even option without trickery for breaks.
- · No day/night (should not need a change in settings to mitigate)
- · No split screen
- · Flight Log too spread out.
- · Lacks full rotation of crew.
07-31-2023, 04:34 AM
#506
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,362
Some people saying it will get better... do you really believe that? Look how long it took for them to release the last update which brought a bad crosswind calculator and even worse break calculator and a super clunky notam filter.
The team designing the updates is the same one responsible for making this crappy app in the first place.
The team designing the updates is the same one responsible for making this crappy app in the first place.
07-31-2023, 04:35 AM
#507
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: DAL FO
Posts: 2,169
Mission+ is usable and will improve. Delta has taken pilot input and put it on the road map. However, Mission+ should have rolled out with every feature of html flight plan and more. Here is a quick list of issues:
- · At best, the data is overly segmented. Often it is badly categorized.
- · A second alternate is not shown in fuel or flight info. You must use Inflight -> Final Alternates or access with All Alternates on dashboard.
- · No highlighting.
- · Poor schedule awareness. No On-Time Reference. Upper left times that always show are planned, not scheduled, or revised ETA. Entering takeoff time will not show early or late.
- · Poor break calculator. Numerous cases of strange amounts such as 23 hour breaks. No 4-man even option without trickery for breaks.
- · No day/night (should not need a change in settings to mitigate)
- · No split screen
- · Flight Log too spread out.
- · Lacks full rotation of crew.
07-31-2023, 04:38 AM
#508
Rerouted On Weekends
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 717A
Posts: 2,937
I dislike M+ but have gotten used to it.
I hate to defend M+ rollout but…you don’t have to use it. This is the interim period where the primary piece of info is the paper flight plan. Thanks to all of our complaining, eh suggestions, the product should, eh will, be improved. If they go live with M+ still having these issues, I’d be upset. It’s still hot garbage, but it’s use is not required.
I hate to defend M+ rollout but…you don’t have to use it. This is the interim period where the primary piece of info is the paper flight plan. Thanks to all of our complaining, eh suggestions, the product should, eh will, be improved. If they go live with M+ still having these issues, I’d be upset. It’s still hot garbage, but it’s use is not required.
07-31-2023, 04:51 AM
#509
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 598
We all really enjoyed it when you attacked the female pilot on Workplace for "looking sloppy" too. Did anything ever come of that? Did you get her disciplined? Did you get the women's uniform standards put back to Navy Standard? Inquiring minds want to know.
07-31-2023, 04:58 AM
#510
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,806
Things do get better....eventually.
Anyone remember the Surface 2? Or the 3, which was actually worse because you had to carry a separate battery with it?
About 1 time in 5 the thing would go into some kind of deep reset boot cycle that would take it 10 times as long to boot. Then it was always a crapshoot if the apps would even open.
It was kind of comedic when they finally, finally thew in the towel on that whole program.
Anyone remember the Surface 2? Or the 3, which was actually worse because you had to carry a separate battery with it?
About 1 time in 5 the thing would go into some kind of deep reset boot cycle that would take it 10 times as long to boot. Then it was always a crapshoot if the apps would even open.
It was kind of comedic when they finally, finally thew in the towel on that whole program.
Oh man those things were crap. Nothing like having it lock up to blue screen of death and go into it's 10 minute reboot, just as your starting an arrival into LAX (and a few other places lol). I'm actually impressed that the company finally acknowledged it was crap and moved on. Someone dude on FB was so in love with the surface that he blocked myself and many others who disagreed with him about it. Basically said we're IOS babies and droid haters...even though I have an android phone. It is fun seeing guys repsond to him and trying to figure out what the fight it about, because his posts are generally pretty polarizing.
FWIW, I personally spoke with KF, the manager of Flt Ops tech, and he said the “sign in mech” was 100% driven by the FAA POI, and they had relented on the “airdrop or passing around”requirement. Each pilot will simply sign their respective app.
That said, why the FAA won’t allow ACARS pins like other airlines have had for 10 years is beyond me.
That said, why the FAA won’t allow ACARS pins like other airlines have had for 10 years is beyond me.
It's pretty crazy how much power the FAA gives to a single individual, and how much company policy can be dictated by whims of the POI. These decisions should not be left to, "some guy doesn't like it," so you can't do it, especially when other airlines are doing it.
Once. And then the sun goes down…
Whining or expecting a bare minimum from the tech we use to do our jobs?
Your response is exactly how I imagine our feedback is received by the M+ team.
Silly pilots just don’t understand. Stop whining and row.
Instead they expend effort shutting down organic, FREE innovation from within their own ranks 🤦♂️
Whining or expecting a bare minimum from the tech we use to do our jobs?
Your response is exactly how I imagine our feedback is received by the M+ team.
Silly pilots just don’t understand. Stop whining and row.
Instead they expend effort shutting down organic, FREE innovation from within their own ranks 🤦♂️
We shouldn't be surprised, they stiff-armed John Bells flight plan stuff for a long time.
Some people saying it will get better... do you really believe that? Look how long it took for them to release the last update which brought a bad crosswind calculator and even worse break calculator and a super clunky notam filter.
The team designing the updates is the same one responsible for making this crappy app in the first place.
The team designing the updates is the same one responsible for making this crappy app in the first place.
LOL right. Like "we promise we won't run hot again." In fairness they did give up on the surface and switch it iPad.
I dislike M+ but have gotten used to it.
I hate to defend M+ rollout but…you don’t have to use it. This is the interim period where the primary piece of info is the paper flight plan. Thanks to all of our complaining, eh suggestions, the product should, eh will, be improved. If they go live with M+ still having these issues, I’d be upset. It’s still hot garbage, but it’s use is not required.
I hate to defend M+ rollout but…you don’t have to use it. This is the interim period where the primary piece of info is the paper flight plan. Thanks to all of our complaining, eh suggestions, the product should, eh will, be improved. If they go live with M+ still having these issues, I’d be upset. It’s still hot garbage, but it’s use is not required.
Someone has to use it to provide the feedback of everything that need fixed. I'd rather that happen, than have the engineers standing around a room backslapping each other on a "fine" piece of work that gets rolled out a steaming pile o crap and made mandatory.
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