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Old 04-04-2023, 08:24 AM
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I forced myself to use it over a 4-day trip, and I think it took a day or two to settle on my new flow when i'm working with it.
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
I heard a rumor they are getting rid of the legacy flight plan feature in the near future as a way to force us to adapt and overcome. Mission + is hot garbage. It adds numerous steps to something that used to be intuitive.
I heard the exact opposite from a couple LCAs in the jumpseat. That the HTML product will function as a backup for the foreseeable future.
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
My favorite is checking how close to arrival time we’ll be after take off. Open nav log, insert take off time, scroll to bottom of nav log, see landing time, then go to fuel page to see taxi in time, add that to landing time, then go back to home page to see what arrival time is supposed to be.

Or I could just use the HTML flight plan, type in wheels up time, then instantly have how many minutes early or late we are with no other steps.
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I heard a rumor they are getting rid of the legacy flight plan feature in the near future as a way to force us to adapt and overcome. Mission + is hot garbage. It adds numerous steps to something that used to be intuitive.
Agreed. Having said that, I've been forcing myself to use it, and I'm getting a lot better with it.

It seems they want the feedback for what to fix. Don't leave it to others to weigh in. You really don't have a right to complain if you ignore the 'open channel' to improve it.




*Disclaimer, it feels like we were given a "Beta" program. While I appreciate all the 'fixes' the initial testers made, and that NavBlue is receptive to making changes, this never should have been released to the masses without addressing what so many have instantly identified as easy fixes. Simple things like Notams sorted by runway, which John Bell created years ago...
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Agreed. Having said that, I've been forcing myself to use it, and I'm getting a lot better with it.

It seems they want the feedback for what to fix. Don't leave it to others to weigh in. You really don't have a right to complain if you ignore the 'open channel' to improve it.




*Disclaimer, it feels like we were given a "Beta" program. While I appreciate all the 'fixes' the initial testers made, and that NavBlue is receptive to making changes, this never should have been released to the masses without addressing what so many have instantly identified as easy fixes. Simple things like Notams sorted by runway, which John Bell created years ago...
Id rather complain here than give feedback. I just don’t care enough and history has taught me they don’t listen. I’ve learned to deal with it and will get along fine. But it shouldn’t be my job to fix a POS program. I don’t get paid for that. Morale is low.
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Id rather complain here than give feedback. I just don’t care enough and history has taught me they don’t listen. I’ve learned to deal with it and will get along fine. But it shouldn’t be my job to fix a POS program. I don’t get paid for that. Morale is low.
LOL. At least you are honest.
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You know when you get to the airport Pete's 5 minutes before close and they tell you the coffee is still hot but you know there is no way it's still hot but you get it anyways because it's a 5 hour flight and you need the caffeine? And then when you get to the airplane and have your first sip, it's basically cold but you choke it down anyways because airplane coffee is still more gross? Yeah. It's like that.
So it's one minor improvement (ice cubes) away from being a refreshing iced coffee?
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:18 AM
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Forced myself to use it. Learned where everything was. Still hated the workflow. Filed FCR. Went back to HTML. Praying they ELSE START NEXT this piece of garbage before the official cut over.
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
Forced myself to use it. Learned where everything was. Still hated the workflow. Filed FCR. Went back to HTML. Praying they ELSE START NEXT this piece of garbage before the official cut over.
Same. I used it for a trip, got somewhat better with it but got tired of wasting my time looking for the airport landing elevation and went back to the HTML version.
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Old 04-04-2023, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Agreed. Having said that, I've been forcing myself to use it, and I'm getting a lot better with it.

It seems they want the feedback for what to fix. Don't leave it to others to weigh in. You really don't have a right to complain if you ignore the 'open channel' to improve it.




*Disclaimer, it feels like we were given a "Beta" program. While I appreciate all the 'fixes' the initial testers made, and that NavBlue is receptive to making changes, this never should have been released to the masses without addressing what so many have instantly identified as easy fixes. Simple things like Notams sorted by runway, which John Bell created years ago...
Feedback is via FCR…correct?
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Old 04-04-2023, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
My favorite is checking how close to arrival time we’ll be after take off. Open nav log, insert take off time, scroll to bottom of nav log, see landing time, then go to fuel page to see taxi in time, add that to landing time, then go back to home page to see what arrival time is supposed to be.

Or I could just use the HTML flight plan, type in wheels up time, then instantly have how many minutes early or late we are with no other steps.

Just one of many things I despise about the app. I stopped using it. Too much work.
This is my absolute biggest gripe about +. I download the HTML just for this.
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