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Old 01-19-2023, 09:43 AM
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Living on the west coast is a choice. /S/
A terrible choice. It’s like they enjoy giving all their money away.
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Old 01-19-2023, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
Guys, you should look at how many red eyes west coast bases start with before you start whining
Honest question. What kind of late or early night flying embargoes do east coast bases have when operating west coast?
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Honest question. What kind of late or early night flying embargoes do east coast bases have when operating west coast?
I have no clue, but you said you are mad west coast guys don’t fly back side of clock. All I can say is that west coast certainly fly their fair share of red eyes. I hate red eyes. I get them on reserve all the time. Ironically I was about to sit down with coffee and look at red eye percentage for lax73a and I can’t because I’m in South America and don’t have cell. Guess how I got here? Reeeeeddddd eeeyyyyyeeee
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
I have no clue, but you said you are mad west coast guys don’t fly back side of clock. All I can say is that west coast certainly fly their fair share of red eyes. I hate red eyes. I get them on reserve all the time
I get sick of flying equivalently ****ty trips while the west coast is protected. If it’s bad it’s bad. To me the west coasters are the squeaky wheel.
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Old 01-19-2023, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
I get sick of flying equivalently ****ty trips while the west coast is protected. If it’s bad it’s bad. To me the west coasters are the squeaky wheel.
Copy that, do you know where it’s written or what the rule is? Have you looked at comparing red eye trips amongst the other bases? Could be your category , but I can vouch for a ballpark 30% min red eye starts. Could be complete BS but it’s a wag. We also get alot of red eye to x, atl turn back to x, wake up 3am body time to then go back west for day 3.

I guess what I’m saying is, look at the data before you throw a spear at your fellow pilots.
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
Copy that, do you know where it’s written or what the rule is? Have you looked at comparing red eye trips amongst the other bases? Could be your category , but I can vouch for a ballpark 30% min red eye starts. Could be complete BS but it’s a wag. We also get alot of red eye to x, atl turn back to x, wake up 3am body time to then go back west for day 3.

I guess what I’m saying is, look at the data before you throw a spear at your fellow pilots.
It’s not personal. It’s just a fact. Nobody else gets embargoes. We are all expected the change or schedules with time zones. West coast NB pilots are not held to the same standard. Prove me wrong.
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Originally Posted by Jaww
It’s not personal. It’s just a fact. Nobody else gets embargoes. We are all expected the change or schedules with time zones. West coast NB pilots are not held to the same standard. Prove me wrong.
What is the embargo specifically? Do you know where it’s written? This is not an attack, I’m as cool as a cucumber, just an RFI to better understand.

If the embargo is not also applied to other people from other bases for the same body clock flying then yes that is bullsh1t and should be rectified.

I can only say that west coast folks on the 737 7er and 320 definitely do a lot of red eyes
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What is the embargo specifically? Do you know where it’s written? This is not an attack, I’m as cool as a cucumber, just an RFI to better understand.

If the embargo is not also applied to other people from other bases for the same body clock flying then yes that is bullsh1t and should be rectified.

I can only say that west coast folks on the 737 7er and 320 definitely do a lot of red eyes
Training. East coast starts. Red eyes to start trips.

I am not saying these embargoes aren’t smart. They are. I just find it hypocritical they aren’t applied elsewhere. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

They have been mentioned in company emails regarding rotation construction. As an east coast guy, I don’t have them memorized.
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For the past 6 months, 50-60% of LAX 320 rotations contained a red eye. Lots of red eyes to start, an increasing number red eye returns from Hawaii, and a smattering of mid rotation red eyes.
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Training. East coast starts. Red eyes to start trips.

I am not saying these embargoes aren’t smart. They are. I just find it hypocritical they aren’t applied elsewhere. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

They have been mentioned in company emails regarding rotation construction. As an east coast guy, I don’t have them memorized.
Training is on the east coast
We start sooo many trips with red eyes
And I’m not sure what the other one is

All I can say is you are dead wrong if you think we don’t do red eyes my man. Not an attack, just facts
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