norcalflyer

How it came to be an AIP is important. If you think it's wise to say "hell no" and send it back, and think that will help our cause... think again, and read below first. This is not TA1 from 2015. We're in mediation now, and at the mercy of the mediator's timeline. The MEC and then we, the pilots, will vote as we wish... but just know that if we reject what was offered, the mediator will not release us... they'll park us. Why? Read below. What will that achieve? Read below... and decide whether you think an alternative path forward will help any of us in the long run. If you don't believe this... then contact your rep who was in North Carolina. Regardless of how they feel, they'll corroborate that this is how it went down...

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What follows is possibly one of the most powerful pieces ever written about a contract negotiation. Please read and forward as you can. It comes from a representative on the horseshoe who remains anonymous for now as most of these conversations were in closed session. After the last contract negotiation Delta pilots learned a negative lesson by rejecting TA1 and coming back stronger with TA2. The piece below contradicts that negotiating technique directly and plainly. Pay particular attention to the second to last paragraph and the sentence that begins, “the NMB told us they’d park us if we rejected this deal…”. In most rational minds that should end the discussion right there. The next obstacle is ensuring this AIP becomes a Tentative Agreement upon which Delta pilots will be given the opportunity to vote.

“2.4 billion deal. Largest in history of any airline. Mediator said she'll never let us seek self help with that kind of money on the table.

Substantially moves bar up for entire industry so another group can't undercut us and weaken our position.

Home run on reroute pay as he explained it to me. Plus said we made a lot of gains in section 23 with no concessions.

Wins with vacation and training but had to be phased in because of staffing. ( bull**** to me )

No change to positive space or commuting policy.

Retro number will be based off flt pay+ advance pay but should be north of 80k for captains. Biggest retro payout in history of airlines.

Retirement was a big miss. 5 th most important item per polling data

More Money put into growing fleets. ER and 717 left out.

Lots of other gains that will be important to some and not to others.

Also from a rep:

Over half the seniority list will get between 22-25% on DOS due to the banding.

Also, inflation to the amendable date is 15.2%, which was the rhetorical argument we were able to succeed with.

I know, we wanted it to start with a 2, also. 20+. This was the best we could get. The NMB told us they’d park us if we rejected this deal and they refused to allow us to negotiate any further until middle of next quarter. Meanwhile, we’d be losing $100M per month in value.

We have no path to any more gains. We took everything we could get. Honestly, there’s nothing left, and the NMB told us to take it or leave it, and they’d not release us because they consider the Company exceeded the NMB’s expectations. 45% gains in this environment, the NMB said they won’t help us any more.

dmeg13021

Isn’t the mediator paid to get a deal done, to potentially include lying to both parties about their relative bargaining position?

Mesabah

It wouldn't surprise me if the NMB is under enormous pressure in the wake of the railway PEB.

crazyjaydawg

This sounds like a lot of PEB! FUD.

Let’s let the deal stand or fail on its own, starting the sales job before the TA is even written is poor form IMHO.

Jaww

The no’s came pouring out of the woodwork. Look at all the nee topics. Having this thread is only balancing out the no craziness.

Flownit

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I hate claims like this. It lacks any context. It may be factually true, but consider that we are one the largest airlines in the history of airlines with more than double the number of pilots of the company pre-merger. It should be the largest deal with that many pilots represented. It should be the largest deal ever given our record profitability that was once considered unattainable by anyone in the biz.

interceptorpilo

Hear Hear! In addition 15% + inflation since amendable.

The NMB is literally paid to lie to us. They are there only to get a deal done. They don’t care how fair or just it is to either side.

Buck Rogers

Some good nit pickin going on here...with a dash of conspiracy theory. As stated in the original post....this is a different time than TA1.

Instead of looking at a tree in the forest...I suggest you look at the forest.

At least that would be "rational thinking" vice "emotional" thinking.
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Gotta play the cards we are dealt, not up the bet hoping for a draw to an inside straight.

Buck Rogers

Whether they lie or not is immaterial...they(she, the NMB) are dealing the cards in their house.

WHACKMASTER

FUD! I repeat….FUD! Glad to see that the FUD spreaders are at other airlines too and not just at my own.