How the AIP Happened
12-05-2022, 09:17 AM
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AMEN. a dude with 10 posts.....IE Mgmt pilot, Union guy with a Mgmt job offer, or one of the TA1 Black Shirts who call themselves "math guys".
Let the AIP stand for itself...if the MEC thinks its worthy we will vote...if not we will not.
12-05-2022, 09:27 AM
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I'd say that is mostly accurate, but it also isn't the full picture. She didn't say we would NEVER be released, just that we wouldnt be based on this. i said right away she said there would be a status conference in late January most likely. That being said, let's say this supposal was a 90% solution (i'm making that number up for example sake), do you honestly believe it would be thrown away and they would start from scratch? I certainly don't. They also said, that if both parties agreed that we were close that they could tell the mediator we want to meet again, that part was left out of the synopsis. Let's also not forget that the mediators job is to get a deal done, she doesn't care what it is....she also isn't required to tell the truth. The company needs a deal, getting parked hurts them too....
12-05-2022, 09:32 AM
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This. Those that publish overwrought analysis from anonymous insiders undermine the side they support, IMO, by implying that the group cannot analyze the AIP before them. Either these folks have a low opinion of the pilot group’s analytical and decision-making abilities, or they intend to inflame passions in one direction by making emotional posts in the opposite direction.
I’ll cast my vote for the higher expected value and I believe the rest of the pilot group will do the same. Emotional emphasis in either direction cannot be added to my time off or W2 and will therefore not be considered.
FWIW the incomplete facts before me right now make the YES vote appear to have a higher EV. Your results will vary.
I’ll cast my vote for the higher expected value and I believe the rest of the pilot group will do the same. Emotional emphasis in either direction cannot be added to my time off or W2 and will therefore not be considered.
FWIW the incomplete facts before me right now make the YES vote appear to have a higher EV. Your results will vary.
12-05-2022, 09:34 AM
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A proper analysis of the deal must include what the pathway is if we turn it down. Just because we want something better doesn’t mean the deal will necessarily get better next time. So background information like this is very helpful. If it’s from an anonymous source I’ll take it with a huge grain of salt. Hopefully there is more info on this from alpa over then coming weeks.
12-05-2022, 09:47 AM
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How the AIP Happened
I was there….as I’ve already posted the negotiators said with mutual agreement from the company if we were close they could tell the mediator and meet again.
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12-05-2022, 10:22 AM
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You’re part of the problem.
12-05-2022, 10:24 AM
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If this get rejected by the MEC or MEMRAT I honestly it's going to be a while.
12-05-2022, 10:34 AM
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I'd say that is mostly accurate, but it also isn't the full picture. She didn't say we would NEVER be released, just that we wouldnt be based on this. i said right away she said there would be a status conference in late January most likely. That being said, let's say this supposal was a 90% solution (i'm making that number up for example sake), do you honestly believe it would be thrown away and they would start from scratch? I certainly don't. They also said, that if both parties agreed that we were close that they could tell the mediator we want to meet again, that part was left out of the synopsis. Let's also not forget that the mediators job is to get a deal done, she doesn't care what it is....she also isn't required to tell the truth. The company needs a deal, getting parked hurts them too....
Why are you trying to stifle the information flow? I think it's good to get it out in the open...if something is BS it will be vetted and outed. If it's basically true, that's important to get out too.
12-05-2022, 10:42 AM
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Disliking rumormongering and pathetic attempts to instill FUD is hardly the same as stifling the information flow.
How many hours per day do you spend on Facebook anyway?
12-05-2022, 10:42 AM
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Ok. Well I’m curious how much more de-identification you need other than the name of the lead NC attorney and his full account of the events that transpired. Post #54. Is that anonymous bullsh*t?
Sounds like you think we should all keep our heads in the sand and not know this stuff.
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