How the AIP Happened
12-04-2022, 07:41 AM
#12
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Yeah, after learning how the NMB can lie all they want in order to try to get a deal, I kind of don’t GAF what they say. You can’t trust a liar. Management are liars. The NMB are liars. Can’t trust either of them.
I’m sure ALPA reps are liars also (some of them).
Point is, vote no if you don’t like the TA, vote yes if you do. Don’t be swayed by these types of arguments that come from an anonymous source who is “on the horseshoe”. These types things are so f*cking stupid. Spreading FUD in the interest of furthering a certain agenda.
I’m sure ALPA reps are liars also (some of them).
Point is, vote no if you don’t like the TA, vote yes if you do. Don’t be swayed by these types of arguments that come from an anonymous source who is “on the horseshoe”. These types things are so f*cking stupid. Spreading FUD in the interest of furthering a certain agenda.
12-04-2022, 07:48 AM
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Yeah, after learning how the NMB can lie all they want in order to try to get a deal, I kind of don’t GAF what they say. You can’t trust a liar. Management are liars. The NMB are liars. Can’t trust either of them.
I’m sure ALPA reps are liars also (some of them).
Point is, vote no if you don’t like the TA, vote yes if you do. Don’t be swayed by these types of arguments that come from an anonymous source who is “on the horseshoe”. These types things are so f*cking stupid. Spreading FUD in the interest of furthering a certain agenda.
I’m sure ALPA reps are liars also (some of them).
Point is, vote no if you don’t like the TA, vote yes if you do. Don’t be swayed by these types of arguments that come from an anonymous source who is “on the horseshoe”. These types things are so f*cking stupid. Spreading FUD in the interest of furthering a certain agenda.
12-04-2022, 07:49 AM
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ALPA has used these threats before. Most of the time the threat of being parked or the Donnateli rant on a PEB were to threaten people into submission when those threats were not even remotely close. We weren’t even in mediation when he was ranting about the PEB.
It seems like this time might be a little different, considering we’ve been in mediation almost 3 years. If the OP was accurate, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
It seems like this time might be a little different, considering we’ve been in mediation almost 3 years. If the OP was accurate, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
12-04-2022, 07:50 AM
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The MEC should have Comms out about all of this at some point in the future. But essentially yes. If this (good) deal wasn’t worked with as it stands now, the next opportunity to negotiate would have been spring 2023. Pushing a contract out to late summer/early fall 2023. With a potentially drastically different bargaining environment based on what the economy does.
This isn’t a perfect deal. But it’s damn good. The pay and retro is lackluster (depending on who you ask) but when you look at all of the QOL and soft pay items it becomes quite substantial. Ny biggest gripe is the retirement, but overall if the language is good when we see it I’ll be a “Yes”.
This isn’t a perfect deal. But it’s damn good. The pay and retro is lackluster (depending on who you ask) but when you look at all of the QOL and soft pay items it becomes quite substantial. Ny biggest gripe is the retirement, but overall if the language is good when we see it I’ll be a “Yes”.
12-04-2022, 07:58 AM
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I personally could care less whether this is true. I don’t need proof to confirm the real possibility that the mediator could take such a position. I certainly would if I were in her shoes for the very same reasons articulated. To discount such a possibility because proof cannot be provided is not rational.
I believe that not only should the merits (reward) be assessed, but also the ramifications (risk) of the vote outcome.
Emotion and risk assessment do not mix well.
I believe that not only should the merits (reward) be assessed, but also the ramifications (risk) of the vote outcome.
Emotion and risk assessment do not mix well.
12-04-2022, 08:04 AM
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I personally could care less whether this is true. I don’t need proof to confirm the real possibility that the mediator could take such a position. I certainly would if I were in her shoes for the very same reasons articulated. To discount such a possibility because proof cannot be provided is not rational.
I believe that not only should the merits (reward) be assessed, but also the ramifications (risk) of the vote outcome.
Emotion and risk assessment do not mix well.
I believe that not only should the merits (reward) be assessed, but also the ramifications (risk) of the vote outcome.
Emotion and risk assessment do not mix well.
12-04-2022, 08:07 AM
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I personally could care less whether this is true. I don’t need proof to confirm the real possibility that the mediator could take such a position. I certainly would if I were in her shoes for the very same reasons articulated. To discount such a possibility because proof cannot be provided is not rational.
I believe that not only should the merits (reward) be assessed, but also the ramifications (risk) of the vote outcome.
Emotion and risk assessment do not mix well.
I believe that not only should the merits (reward) be assessed, but also the ramifications (risk) of the vote outcome.
Emotion and risk assessment do not mix well.
Have you read the posts from lewbronski on this board? Please do. He is more well versed on this but - if we get parked but are bargaining in good faith (we are) then our recourse is the courts. They will not be friendly to an NMB that parks us when we are bargaining in good faith. Look it up. Don’t be forced into voting yes because you are uninformed and afraid. Insert RF-4 image here.
12-04-2022, 08:23 AM
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What do we call that?
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