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12-07-2022, 11:14 AM

#151

m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by MJP27

Agreed. The lack of 2023 retro strikes me as tone def on an otherwise decent AIP.

I think we need confirmation that this is true. Will the future raises become effective March of 2024, 2025, 2026 etc, etc?

12-07-2022, 11:22 AM

#152

Tanker1497

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If signed March 1st, yes. DOS+1, etc. Already confirmed by tunes in multiple threads. No DC for the lag time either.

12-07-2022, 12:47 PM

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tunes

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I disagree. You’re telling me they’re going to pay us 14 percent retro on all 2022 flight pay, but then the first months of 2023, we get nothing. There will be agreed to timelines. They change DOS to effective date when TA’d.

ALPA is failing on this if true.

I'm 100% telling you this. They were already told no.

12-07-2022, 12:58 PM

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hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by tunes

I'm 100% telling you this. They were already told no.

Who was told no? I haven’t seen anything official. I have a hard time believing that we’re getting 14 percent on all 2022 earnings but then nothing on first 3 months of 2023 earnings. That defies logic. I would think when it changes from AIP to actual language, they clarify that.

I bet you the TA has actual effective dates on it. Not DOS.

12-07-2022, 01:10 PM

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Tanker1497

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Sure I’ll go with what you believe over the person that was actually present when all of this went down. If you read what tunes posted, they asked for all of this and the company was a hard no. I guess that’s another “no concessions” concession.

12-07-2022, 01:17 PM

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Buck Rogers

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Originally Posted by Tanker1497

You have a very warped understanding of what the word concession is and/or means to most people.

12-07-2022, 01:29 PM

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Anyone read C01 email today?

12-07-2022, 01:34 PM

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tunes

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

i've said it multiple times. the negotiators brought that up to the company and were told no, it would be on DOS not Jan 1. I'm sorry if you are having a hard time believing it, but that's the reality. I was there.

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Originally Posted by Tanker1497

Sure I’ll go with what you believe over the person that was actually present when all of this went down. If you read what tunes posted, they asked for all of this and the company was a hard no.

lol thanks

12-07-2022, 01:46 PM

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MJP27

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Originally Posted by RunFast

Anyone read C01 email today?

Yeah, C1 voted against the AIP. Shocked I tell you, shocked. I'm sure they'll try and send it back for stuff we will never get anyway (MB and "full retro").