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12-06-2022, 07:24 AM

#111

JamesBond

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaww

The no’s came pouring out of the woodwork. Look at all the nee topics. Having this thread is only balancing out the no craziness.

Why does looking at a 'no' constituting "craziness". This throws a significant number of us under the bus... again. And you are gonna have your come to Jesus moment when you realize that inflationary pressures are going to turn this into stagnated wages at the very best. But you will probably upgrade by then so it wont bother you.

12-06-2022, 07:25 AM

#112

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by Flownit

I hate claims like this. It lacks any context. It may be factually true, but consider that we are one the largest airlines in the history of airlines with more than double the number of pilots of the company pre-merger. It should be the largest deal with that many pilots represented. It should be the largest deal ever given our record profitability that was once considered unattainable by anyone in the biz.

Just imagine how big the deal will be when the company drags the next one out for 5 or 6 years.

12-06-2022, 08:36 AM

#113

dragon

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Originally Posted by tunes

4-6 weeks for TA language to be ready.

Thank you!

7 days to review, then either back to NC or onto MEMRAT, can the 30 day voting window be shortened?

12-06-2022, 08:40 AM

#114

NuGuy

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Originally Posted by dragon

Thank you!

7 days to review, then either back to NC or onto MEMRAT, can the 30 day voting window be shortened?

MEMRAT for Section 6 runs 60 days, which can only be shortened to 45.

12-06-2022, 08:50 AM

#115

m3113n1a1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuGuy

MEMRAT for Section 6 runs 60 days, which can only be shortened to 45.

So given this time line if ratified, it will be signed around March. We will get 18% retro for the first three months of 2023, correct?

12-06-2022, 08:54 AM

#116

Whoopsmybad

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

So given this time line if ratified, it will be signed around March. We will get 18% retro for the first three months of 2023, correct?

Eggcellent question.

12-06-2022, 09:05 AM

#117

tunes

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

So given this time line if ratified, it will be signed around March. We will get 18% retro for the first three months of 2023, correct?

nope, as is, your 2023 will be at 2019 rates until ratified.

12-06-2022, 09:06 AM

#118

hockeypilot44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

So given this time line if ratified, it will be signed around March. We will get 18% retro for the first three months of 2023, correct?

Hasn’t been answered. I am assuming the same as you.

12-06-2022, 09:07 AM

#119

tunes

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

Hasn’t been answered. I am assuming the same as you.

answered above. It's based on DOS not Jan 1, 2023

12-06-2022, 09:22 AM

#120

dragon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tunes

answered above. It's based on DOS not Jan 1, 2023

Seems like a side letter to make everything back date to Jan 1 might be in order, provided the agreement passes. This could be a significant turd in the punchbowl.