MEC chairman election
11-17-2022, 05:51 PM
#142
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the strike vote was unanimous so apparently no one was against it. I heard there might have been some discussion about the timing but from what i heard no reps were against it. but hey lets all stop wearing the lanyard and don our hats - that will really signal our solidarity to the company. 
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well he voted for it, so i attribute the "he was against it" to the "burn the house down crowd." if i had a vote i wouldn't have voted for him but i don't think the world is ending either. the worst thing we can do now is divide as a pilot group. if we get a crappy ta - fine, burn the witches, recall the mec, put cats and dogs in the same kennels etc, but my personal opinion is that its premature to opine that this screws us in the current section 6.
The nc works for the mec not the chairman. Its been a while since we had a rock star chairman - they all seem to have ulterior motives to me. Imho malone was the best. Never went to national, didn't start a consulting company - just went back to flying the line. How refreshing is that.
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The nc works for the mec not the chairman. Its been a while since we had a rock star chairman - they all seem to have ulterior motives to me. Imho malone was the best. Never went to national, didn't start a consulting company - just went back to flying the line. How refreshing is that.
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11-17-2022, 06:38 PM
#143
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Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
11-17-2022, 07:06 PM
#144
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Indeed.
Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
Manning is so bad that you don't have to be a top 10 percenter. I was just very flexible with days off, wanted a day off (that I worked it to have a PB day on) and was honestly trying to make up for being out on Mil Leave for over a year which was a 40% paycut from ER FO pay. . (I am not the usual paygrade you would expect a reserve pilot of my age to be, to put it mildly)
I could have rolled thunder 2 more months since if I cared to, but I valued the days I had off more. I did take a couple tactical GSs to get PB days on days I wanted off in July and August. This "only half can ever roll thunder" is a crock of crap. Maybe in some senior category, but not in NYC NB Captain, any NY FO except maybe 330, and ATL FO. Have friend who are somewhere in the "can't hold a line if they wanted to" seniority range that could roll thunder. Manning is that bad.
11-17-2022, 09:40 PM
#145
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Indeed.
Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
11-17-2022, 10:22 PM
#146
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Indeed.
Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
Everyone should bid reserve, no matter seniority, base, equipment type, staffing, or position, and they too may have this amazing GS/bank days lifestyle.
All 15,000 of us.
I’ve no prob with anyone who exercised a negotiated contractual benefit. Since at least half (probably much more) of the group will never be able to “roll thunder” though, I don’t care very much if it gets tweaked.
In normal times, this wasn’t an issue. In 2022, it’s pretty clear luck of the draw provided unanticipated windfalls for some.
Especially if the tweaking provides overall benefits for the many, not the few. With biases for the senior, not the junior (union shop, seniority has preference. I don’t write the rules, but union shop seniority rules are well understood to be biased towards hire date)
11-18-2022, 01:08 AM
#147
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I am with you in 66. TK has been a decent rep, returned my emails and phone calls, went to bat for me with CPO over Covid Nofly issue, and has been overall a good pilot advocate. I was disappointed that MC (66vice chair) voted against him, but ,…maybe …there is more to the story. I read MC ‘s email to Us explaining ,but it falls short of the telling why he voted and the whole story. I don’t know if I will support a recall of MC, as there has to be more details coming forth, but I am leaning towards TC and why didn’t you support the 66 chair.
Really need more info.
Really need more info.
11-18-2022, 02:52 AM
#148
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11-18-2022, 03:16 AM
#149
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You can bet that they will have the correct numbers at the table. In the last year full data was tabulated available pilot payroll was 4,38 billion in 2018. That does not include benefit costs or PS. 2019 would have included a 4% raise or about 160 million more.
11-18-2022, 03:58 AM
#150
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Dude, half or more CAN roll thunder. I did it in April as 100% in category. There was NOBODY junior to me that was actually flying (some in OE/Sims/Converted but none actually flying)
Manning is so bad that you don't have to be a top 10 percenter. I was just very flexible with days off, wanted a day off (that I worked it to have a PB day on) and was honestly trying to make up for being out on Mil Leave for over a year which was a 40% paycut from ER FO pay. . (I am not the usual paygrade you would expect a reserve pilot of my age to be, to put it mildly)
I could have rolled thunder 2 more months since if I cared to, but I valued the days I had off more. I did take a couple tactical GSs to get PB days on days I wanted off in July and August. This "only half can ever roll thunder" is a crock of crap. Maybe in some senior category, but not in NYC NB Captain, any NY FO except maybe 330, and ATL FO. Have friend who are somewhere in the "can't hold a line if they wanted to" seniority range that could roll thunder. Manning is that bad.
Manning is so bad that you don't have to be a top 10 percenter. I was just very flexible with days off, wanted a day off (that I worked it to have a PB day on) and was honestly trying to make up for being out on Mil Leave for over a year which was a 40% paycut from ER FO pay. . (I am not the usual paygrade you would expect a reserve pilot of my age to be, to put it mildly)
I could have rolled thunder 2 more months since if I cared to, but I valued the days I had off more. I did take a couple tactical GSs to get PB days on days I wanted off in July and August. This "only half can ever roll thunder" is a crock of crap. Maybe in some senior category, but not in NYC NB Captain, any NY FO except maybe 330, and ATL FO. Have friend who are somewhere in the "can't hold a line if they wanted to" seniority range that could roll thunder. Manning is that bad.
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