Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
01-07-2023, 10:12 AM
#631
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Napkin math: 2500-3000 new hires on Soft lock (2 years with carve out of 1 year in certain scenarios). 1500-2000 upgrades and or normal bids since the last AE of 2020, some of those are upgrades from the new hire group though.
Rough math would be a minimum of 4000 locked. Probably a similar number that aren’t ever leaving their category. So safe bet is 5000 pilots are eyeing this bid with at least percentage based bids or dream bids in. As you can see Oofff was right, pretty impossible to know.
Rough math would be a minimum of 4000 locked. Probably a similar number that aren’t ever leaving their category. So safe bet is 5000 pilots are eyeing this bid with at least percentage based bids or dream bids in. As you can see Oofff was right, pretty impossible to know.
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01-07-2023, 10:20 AM
#632
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That does not count percentage bids?? That sucks I didn’t know that
01-07-2023, 10:27 AM
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01-07-2023, 11:47 AM
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Any predictions on how junior narrowbody A will go? I think the last AE saw a May 22 hire get 7ER NYC.
01-07-2023, 12:03 PM
#636
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Originally Posted by 1Taco
with the new payrates, I don’t see captain going nearly as junior as the last bid.
01-07-2023, 12:07 PM
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I see this going the other way… widebody FOs will be way more senior than NB captains. With the new pay raises, I don’t see how anyone would want to be a NB captain when you could be a widebody pilot. 100 times the work for a few extra bucks? No thank you. I see the company forcing upgrades in the near future. I just don’t see how we will be able to staff captains down the road when the golden ticket lies on the widebody fleet. I know a lot of people who will stay in the right seat of a widebody for many decades to come. Every single CA upgrade I’ve flown with told me that upgrading back to a NB was the worst decision they’ve ever made.
01-07-2023, 12:08 PM
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New rates aren't just for captains either, with decent seniority and schedule manipulation WB B will probably pay better with better QOL anyways. If PB days will be much harder to use and rolling thunder isnt as easy it sure makes being a junior NB A a lot less desirable.
01-07-2023, 12:31 PM
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I see this going the other way… widebody FOs will be way more senior than NB captains. With the new pay raises, I don’t see how anyone would want to be a NB captain when you could be a widebody pilot. 100 times the work for a few extra bucks? No thank you. I see the company forcing upgrades in the near future. I just don’t see how we will be able to staff captains down the road when the golden ticket lies on the widebody fleet. I know a lot of people who will stay in the right seat of a widebody for many decades to come. Every single CA upgrade I’ve flown with told me that upgrading back to a NB was the worst decision they’ve ever made.
01-07-2023, 12:38 PM
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This makes no sense to me. 320A and 330B get the same percent raise. More actual cash increase for 320A. So money wise it actually is more of an incentive to go 320A than 330B. Lifestyle difference will be the same. Possibly better now as a 320A with new contract with little change for 330B. My take.
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