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Old 12-08-2023, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
Thank you for this. I’m square in the middle of this argument age wise. Why in the world some of the folks on here keep jousting with NB, JB and BR is beyond me. They bring some great points to many threads on APC but this topic is dead and their opinion is just that. No amount arguing will change anyone’s mind. You all are smart people but the lack of emotional intelligence in arguing with these guys over and over has me wondering. Stop feeding the monkey. Unless you crave the crazy.
^^^^this.

The horse is D E A D. Why the discussion continues is beyond me.

I was hired in 2000, furloughed in 2002. Brought back in 2005, furloughed again in 2005. I could not have been hired at a worse time in this industry and my GAS meter ran out a long time ago. All this whining about 67 is beyond ridiculous. 100% out of my control. Retire whenever you want. I’ll be fine and so will everyone else.
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Old 12-09-2023, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
Vast majority? I don't buy that. Not based on my own discussions with FOs. A majority? Maybe. Not a vast majority.
Resolutions were brought up at every LEC meeting to have ALPA support raising age to 67....every single one of them failed. I woud call that vast.
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Old 12-09-2023, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
ALPA National is UNANIMOUSLY opposed to Age 67. That is their official position and supported by a majority of membership.

From ALPA:

Debunking the Myths About Raising the Pilot Retirement Age

If Age 67 happens, will that in turn give pilots 24 more months to suckle the disability tit if we go out due to loss of medical, therefore saving us 2 years of having to pull from our own retirement accounts?
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Old 12-09-2023, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
Thank you for this. I’m square in the middle of this argument age wise. Why in the world some of the folks on here keep jousting with NB, JB and BR is beyond me. They bring some great points to many threads on APC but this topic is dead and their opinion is just that. No amount arguing will change anyone’s mind. You all are smart people but the lack of emotional intelligence in arguing with these guys over and over has me wondering. Stop feeding the monkey. Unless you crave the crazy.
Yes, ignoring or silencing that which you disagree with but can't refute is definitely an advanced debate tactic.

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^^^^this.

The horse is D E A D. Why the discussion continues is beyond me.

I was hired in 2000, furloughed in 2002. Brought back in 2005, furloughed again in 2005. I could not have been hired at a worse time in this industry and my GAS meter ran out a long time ago. All this whining about 67 is beyond ridiculous. 100% out of my control. Retire whenever you want. I’ll be fine and so will everyone else.
The horse is definitely not dead. The obstacles have been cleared in the senate, Sinema is satisfied, and Schumer and Duckworth have agreed to let it move forward. Expect news after the new year. 67 is happening, and you better wrap your mind around it. This AE is going to be more important than some thought. Things may slightly slow down for a little while as the system adjusts and the company evaluates.
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Old 12-09-2023, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain

From ALPA:
I stopped reading at "From ALPA". There has never been a more greedy, self serving corporation, filled with swamp dwellers, trough drinkers, and self dealers. They have zero credibility. Their opinion follows the money.

Once 67 passing becomes obvious, they'll jump on board and say it was their idea all along, just like the did last time.
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Old 12-09-2023, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
7 total years of stagnation during a career will have an impact on everyone who doesn’t immediately benefit from 67.

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I'm genuinely curious, at what point in a pilot's career does it switch from good stagnation to bad stagnation? Does this only benefit current WBAs and hurt everybody else? Why?

I don't get the rabid opposition to this. Unless you had a personal hard stop at 65 or haven't been hired yet, age 67 simply gives all pilots the opportunity to work longer.
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Old 12-09-2023, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy
I'm genuinely curious, at what point in a pilot's career does it switch from good stagnation to bad stagnation? Does this only benefit current WBAs and hurt everybody else? Why?

I don't get the rabid opposition to this. Unless you had a personal hard stop at 65 or haven't been hired yet, age 67 simply gives all pilots the opportunity to work longer.
The current generation of pilots have had to wait an entire 9 months to move into the left seat of a 767. Oh, but that isn't a widebody though....
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Old 12-09-2023, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy
I'm genuinely curious, at what point in a pilot's career does it switch from good stagnation to bad stagnation? Does this only benefit current WBAs and hurt everybody else? Why?

I don't get the rabid opposition to this. Unless you had a personal hard stop at 65 or haven't been hired yet, age 67 simply gives all pilots the opportunity to work longer.
It comes down to a philosophy on work/life balance. Do you want to work longer and therefore have more dollars in your account? Or do you want to work less years and have the years you do work have a better seniority - and all that goes along with it? Also if you have/ had a plan to work to 65 or ANY AGE YOUNGER than 65 then 67 is a net loss for you.
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Old 12-09-2023, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy
I don't get the rabid opposition to this. Unless you had a personal hard stop at 65 or haven't been hired yet, age 67 simply gives all pilots the opportunity to work longer.

I don’t get the failure to understand. Have you read anything anywhere? Do you really not understand? I’m not saying you have to agree with ANY position…but not to understand it? Have you had actual conversation with opponents to 67 and still think “it simply gives everyone a chance to work longer”?

I absolutely understand Nick and 007’s position. I just don’t agree with it. And if you don’t already understand that not everyone WANTS to work until 65, nor stall their seniority progression out for two years, nor see their seniority peak two years later than it otherwise would, nor leave on their original timeline with two years’ worth worse seniority - I honestly don’t think you will ever understand. I guess that’s why this horse is pulp.
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Old 12-09-2023, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The current generation of pilots have had to wait an entire 9 months to move into the left seat of a 767. Oh, but that isn't a widebody though....
You’re in the current generation, no? You are a pilot at Delta after all. Congratulations on your fortunate career luck with all this quick movement.
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