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Old 12-06-2023, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
That's what happens when you stuff 3-4 people aged 55 and older into a flight deck for 13 hours. They think everyone thinks like them and have meltdowns when anyone challenges their often out of left field opinions.
You do know that the exact same can be said for the other end of the spectrum also don't you?

Has that even occured to you before your stereotyping?
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
That's what happens when you stuff 3-4 people aged 55 and older into a flight deck for 13 hours. They think everyone thinks like them and have meltdowns when anyone challenges their often out of left field opinions.
Right field. They would never be caught dead in left field, because that's where all those scary pinko commies like Pelosi and Sanders are.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtLZ

Can you imagine living your final 10-15 years on the planet reading lawsuit updates and praying you get a meaningless lawsuit pay day? I would rather be with my family while playing golf, fishing, and camping.
These dorks have absolutely nothing to live for except their identity as a DelDuh captain. They know that the day they step away from the job, they start a very short countdown for how much time they have left on this earth.

For them, this is literally a matter of life and death, so they view it as such, and any opposing viewpoints must be ‘junior’ trying to bump them off. They don’t necessarily want to die in the cockpit, but they want their death to occur as close as possible after stepping out of it. There will never be any reconciliation between the DelDuh Captain dorks and normal people, because the dorks literally live to work.

The reality is that most millennials (and zoomers even moreso) reject the ideas that work should be a core part of one’s identity and worker exploitation is moral, and as such have no interest in extending the amount of days one must/should/could work in this career. For the most part, we see the exploitation inherent in the systems that the Weakest Generation have promulgated, and want nothing to do with it. And any extension of the mandatory retirement age is just a dilution of the benefits that seniority provides (and straight up loss of those benefits if they retire early).

The whole ‘we built this airline and it wouldn’t even exist if not for us!’ insanity is just that though… insanity. They didn’t build jack sh*t. They (like the rest of the pilot group, as in every airline) are and always have been simple worker bees who exist to fulfill one singular function within this organization, responsible neither for its creation nor its direction, and only contributing to its continuation insofar as they repeat their one and only function. If they personally had never been hired here, another drone would have, and the entity would be in exactly the same place as it is today. The thought of that being true would cause one to wonder what all of their many hours and days and months and years spent away from home working actually meant though, and they can’t bear to contemplate the logical conclusion to that thought exercise: nothing.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
These dorks have absolutely nothing to live for except their identity as a DelDuh captain. They know that the day they step away from the job, they start a very short countdown for how much time they have left on this earth.

For them, this is literally a matter of life and death, so they view it as such, and any opposing viewpoints must be ‘junior’ trying to bump them off. They don’t necessarily want to die in the cockpit, but they want their death to occur as close as possible after stepping out of it. There will never be any reconciliation between the DelDuh Captain dorks and normal people, because the dorks literally live to work.

The reality is that most millennials (and zoomers even moreso) reject the ideas that work should be a core part of one’s identity and worker exploitation is moral, and as such have no interest in extending the amount of days one must/should/could work in this career. For the most part, we see the exploitation inherent in the systems that the Weakest Generation have promulgated, and want nothing to do with it. And any extension of the mandatory retirement age is just a dilution of the benefits that seniority provides (and straight up loss of those benefits if they retire early).

The whole ‘we built this airline and it wouldn’t even exist if not for us!’ insanity is just that though… insanity. They didn’t build jack sh*t. They (like the rest of the pilot group, as in every airline) are and always have been simple worker bees who exist to fulfill one singular function within this organization, responsible neither for its creation nor its direction, and only contributing to its continuation insofar as they repeat their one and only function. If they personally had never been hired here, another drone would have, and the entity would be in exactly the same place as it is today. The thought of that being true would cause one to wonder what all of their many hours and days and months and years spent away from home working actually meant though, and they can’t bear to contemplate the logical conclusion to that thought exercise: nothing.
Biggest numbered ALPA pin wins, but can be superseded only by the number and color of the "stones" in your widget pin. Work isn't inherently bad but fighting to do more of it seems weird. Everyone of these guys could retire very comfortably, yesterday. They just don't want to be forced to because... ego.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf
These dorks

.... They didn’t build jack sh*t. They (like the rest of the pilot group, as in every airline) are and always have been simple worker bees who exist to fulfill one singular function within this organization, responsible neither for its creation nor its direction, and only contributing to its continuation insofar as they repeat their one and only function. If they personally had never been hired here, another drone would have, and the entity would be in exactly the same place as it is today. The thought of that being true would cause one to wonder what all of their many hours and days and months and years spent away from home working actually meant though, and they can’t bear to contemplate the logical conclusion to that thought exercise: nothing.
I'll add to your argument; by trading "bargaining credits" for scope (the expansion of outsourcing) they sold-off as much of the airline as they could. Liquidating "Delta flying" was the opposite of building.
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Old 12-06-2023, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Verdell
Check out "Smarter Every Day" on Youtube. Excellent content.
+1. Excellent channel. Especially the one where he build a see-through carburetor. Facinating slow-mo video.
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Old 12-06-2023, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jaxsurf

The whole ‘we built this airline and it wouldn’t even exist if not for us!’ insanity is just that though… insanity. They didn’t build jack sh*t. They (like the rest of the pilot group, as in every airline) are and always have been simple worker bees who exist to fulfill one singular function within this organization, responsible neither for its creation nor its direction, and only contributing to its continuation insofar as they repeat their one and only function. If they personally had never been hired here, another drone would have, and the entity would be in exactly the same place as it is today. The thought of that being true would cause one to wonder what all of their many hours and days and months and years spent away from home working actually meant though, and they can’t bear to contemplate the logical conclusion to that thought exercise: nothing.
Very true
We are cogs. Your ability to hold a seat is based on progression of seniority, not accomplishment. Even the date you were hired had more to do with timing than ability. Probably not worth tying your self worth and identity to something like this that could’ve been drastically altered had dad made a move on mom a couple years sooner or later.
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Old 12-06-2023, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I'll add to your argument; by trading "bargaining credits" for scope (the expansion of outsourcing) they sold-off as much of the airline as they could. Liquidating "Delta flying" was the opposite of building.
When I read that comment about not being an airline without us, I thought the same thing. Also, didn’t we RJ drivers do more flying for Delta than mainline in the early 2000’s. Luckily “their” company was subsidized by our cheap labor.
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Old 12-06-2023, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
+1. Excellent channel. Especially the one where he build a see-through carburetor. Facinating slow-mo video.
I had no idea what you were talking about. This was fascinating...!!

youtube.com/watch?v=toVfvRhWbj8
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Old 12-07-2023, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You do know that the exact same can be said for the other end of the spectrum also don't you?

Has that even occured to you before your stereotyping?
Does pointing out one side of things equate to having zero awareness of any other alternatives?

Think of your haste to call out any statements you take as biased against older/senior groups, and then think of your quietness at statements biased against younger/junior groups. Have you thought about the reasoning behind your one sided white-knighthood?
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